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Ween
10-20-2004, 05:44 AM
Call me slow, but I just started noticing an 'F' stenciled on the front of locomotives near the front steps like these:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=82042
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=63604
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=78989
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=78441
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=78224
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=69273
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=64179

As you can see, it's not just limited to one railroad or a few, it looks like most of them (I couldn't verify on BNSF though). So, what's the 'F?' Please don't tell me it stands for 'Front,' because that would just be dumb...

E.M. Bell
10-20-2004, 07:45 AM
it marks the front of the locomtoive, as required by the FRA... it all deals with giving signals during switching... say your the conductor, and your switching cars with the F end of your loco coupled to cars..you would tell the engineeer to back up if you wanted to pull those cars, and come ahead if you wanted to shove them...and vica versa if they are couped on the oppisite end from the F....

Frontwards and backwards are not always what they seem, and if you tell a old head engineer the wrong thing, you might be in for a surpize....

Ween
10-20-2004, 08:25 AM
it marks the front of the locomtoive

Wow. I don't need no stinking 'F' to tell me which is front on The Ween Machine. The pointy end always goes forward...or else something's really gone wrong!!!

But just to be clear:

..............Top
Rear http://www.railpictures.net/forums/images/avatars/4099039324000f798876cd.jpg Front :lol:
..............Bottom

Chris Starnes
10-20-2004, 04:39 PM
It sounds a little more simplified than it seems to someone who hasn't been around railroad operations very much. Some of the older engines, especially those of Southern/NW heritage, are setup to run long-hood-forward. So what may look to the front of an engine is really its rear.

Guilford350
10-20-2004, 10:22 PM
Locomotives such as the RS-3 and GP7 usually have the "F" on the long hood end because, as said before by Chris, are setup to run long-hood forward.

Ween
10-21-2004, 02:15 AM
It sounds a little more simplified than it seems to someone who hasn't been around railroad operations very much. Some of the older engines, especially those of Southern/NW heritage, are setup to run long-hood-forward. So what may look to the front of an engine is really its rear.

And that's why I love this hobby, there's so much I don't know and it's a fun challenge to figure out. Thank, guys, for the replies.

JButler
10-21-2004, 03:13 AM
Ween,
It's a good thing the Ween Machine isn't a Harrier. That front and back stuff comes into play a little more there. :wink:

Ween
10-21-2004, 05:07 AM
Ween,
It's a good thing the Ween Machine isn't a Harrier. That front and back stuff comes into play a little more there. :wink:

Or a C-130 or C-17 (or any myriad of airliners with T/Rs who used to back away from the gate with thrust back in the ole days!); they can back those things up on the ground with reverse thrust. The mighty Lear would tip over on it's tail when you tried to stop!

And that whole top/bottom thing can be mixed up to. Huge ailerons on those little wings, even with the tip tanks, can roll the plane. And, no, you can't do a loop to a landing like Harm did on 'JAG.' Not even in the sim.

Note: I have never done an aileron role, barrell roll, or any other unauthorized manuevers. I only pass along what was passed along in training...from those who flew 'em back in the ole days!!!!