Amtrak Heritage Power

[Slopes09]

I've known about this since the summer, but I've had to hold back, because I like my job and all (Ok, so there was really no threat to my job, but professionalism counts). BUT it's official now! Amtrak is bringing back an F40PH for it's Heritage fleet.

Amtrak Ink December 2010/January 2011 (http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/BlobServer?blobcol=urldata&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobkey=id&blobwhere=1249220414955&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobheadername1=Content-disposition&blobheadervalue1=attachment;filename=Amtrak_Amtrak Ink-011411.pdf)

Here are some crappy pics of the engines back over the summer. I was originally told three units, but they apparently downgraded to 1. Regardless, pretty neat stuff!

http://flic.kr/p/88cPJv
http://flic.kr/p/88cPJv
http://flic.kr/p/88cPAz
http://flic.kr/p/88cPvP

[troy12n]

I think amtrak should spend more time and money on keeping it's trains on time, keeping them running, keeping the heat/AC working, keeping them clean and improving some of the sorry ass customer service they have onboard...

then, after all that is fixed, they can bring back an f40

[JimThias]

Well, it IS for promotional purposes. Sometimes you have to spend money to make money. Aside from that, I don't know what's so special about an F40PH. I see them all the time (although gutted).

Have some real balls, Amtrak...paint up an E or F unit for this anniversary.

[crazytiger]

I can't wait to see the repaints and I hope the visit the Crescent often.

[jnohallman]

I think amtrak should spend more time and money on keeping it's trains on time

Actually, most of that isn't on Amtrak. Remember this?

[photoid=351073]

Now, the other stuff you have a point on. Maybe if you can get Congress to pony up the money for some of that stuff? A coat of paint is cheap by comparison.

Jon

[Freericks]

The incoming Congress has just propsed a total and complete elmination of all Amtrak subsidies. Amtrak may not make it to its 40th.

[JRMDC]

The incoming Congress has just propsed a total and complete elmination of all Amtrak subsidies. Amtrak may not make it to its 40th.

True,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/20/AR2011012002878.html?hpid=topnews

but, not to be nonchalant about this, but Amtrak is always under attack, it is a right wing icon of sorts, a perennial target (sometimes attached successfully). It is more accurate to say "165 incoming House Republicans" than "incoming Congress" as this isn't even a House committee report. The latest round of the interminable budget war is just beginning, and Amtrak is a common refrain. The Senate and President have yet to speak, not to mention all representatives.

"Icon" is not the right word, but I am at a loss at the moment; there is a word that might serve as a stand-in for "right wing symbol of leftist excess" or some such. :)

[jdirelan87]

Well, it IS for promotional purposes. Sometimes you have to spend money to make money. Aside from that, I don't know what's so special about an F40PH. I see them all the time (although gutted).

Have some real balls, Amtrak...paint up an E or F unit for this anniversary.

Ya totally agree. Obviously, I'm not gonna complain about any effort any railroad does for the railfans... With that being said if you are gonna make such a big about this for months now, one F40 which was just retired a few years ago isn't very impressive.

[coborn35]

But to most people an F40 say more "Amtrak" than an E or F unit does.

[Freericks]

But to most people an F40 say more "Amtrak" than an E or F unit does.

By most people, do you refer to yourself, your friends, and other folk your age?

[JRMDC]

By most people, do you refer to yourself, your friends, and other folk your age?

Charles, I'm a lot closer to your age, and to me the F40 is the quintessential Amtrak engine. Or that along with the Genesis.

[Freericks]

Charles, I'm a lot closer to your age, and to me the F40 is the quintessential Amtrak engine. Or that along with the Genesis.

Janusz... why do you assume there was anything more to my question than the question itself?

Not every inquiry has to have a hidden point.

Charles

As an aside - when you say Amtrak, the first thing I see in my mind is an SDP40F.

[edit] - I'd also note, that an F7, an E8, an E9, an F40PH, a GP40TC, a P30CH, a GG1, an E60CP, an E60CH, an AEM7, an AMD103 (later P40DC), a Dash 8-32BWH, a P42DC, a P32AC-DM, an FL9, a RS3, a GP7, an SW10, a CF7, an HHP8, an Acela, a Metroliner, an F59PHI, an UA Turbo Train, a French Turboliner, a Rohr Turboliner, and an RDC (inlcuding the Roger Williams cab) would, each and everyone one of them, be a legitimate subject for an Amtrak heritige project to me - as well as perfectly saying "Amtrak." I don't think there is a wrong answer here... I was, and am curious, when Max says it is the quitessential engine to him, is he saying among his age group and friends.

[Freericks]

"Icon" is not the right word, but I am at a loss at the moment; there is a word that might serve as a stand-in for "right wing symbol of leftist excess" or some such. :)


Deadweight?

Pereennial target?

Pork barrel?

Government giveaway?

Excess outlays?

Government waste?

Government excess?

Low hanging fruit?

Easy target?

[JRMDC]

Janusz... why do you assume there was anything more to my question than the question itself?

Not every inquiry has to have a hidden point.

Charles

As an aside - when you say Amtrak, the first thing I see in my mind is an SDP40F.

[edit] - I'd also note, that an F7, an E8, an E9, an F40PH, a GP40TC, a P30CH, a GG1, an E60CP, an E60CH, an AEM7, an AMD103 (later P40DC), a Dash 8-32BWH, a P42DC, a P32AC-DM, an FL9, a RS3, a GP7, an SW10, a CF7, an HHP8, an Acela, a Metroliner, an F59PHI, an UA Turbo Train, a French Turboliner, a Rohr Turboliner, and an RDC (inlcuding the Roger Williams cab) would, each and everyone one of them, be a legitimate subject for an Amtrak heritige project to me - as well as perfectly saying "Amtrak." I don't think there is a wrong answer here... I was, and am curious, when Max says it is the quitessential engine to him, is he saying among his age group and friends.

Ok, seemed an odd question to drop in to a thread at random, I don't normally jump into a conversation and ask people's ages, so I assumed it had some motivation, some connection to the previous post. And given your last sentence above, I don't think I was out of place to post what I did, I think that it is clear there was more to your question than the question itself, as you have now clarified.

As for your list, most thorough (I guess, don't really know!) and interesting, but I guess I disagree completely. A GP7 says "Amtrak"????

As far as what units say "Amtrak," one must differentiate between what one associates with Amtrak and what is best representative of Amtrak. (And for now, let's put aside the electrics.) Sure, when you think SDP40F you think Amtrak. But when you think Amtrak power you do not, I would say, in general first think of the SDP40F. For diesels I would say, and did say!, F40 and Genesis.

When I think Fs I think of railroads across the country, and Amtrak would be near the bottom of the list. F to me means the start of dieselization, not Amtrak. And when I think Amtrak I don't think F.

When I think Es I think class one RR pre-Amtrak, yes Amtrak used some but to me they do not represent Amtrak in any way.

Hmm, just noticed, "G40TC"!

[JRMDC]

Pereennial target?

Perennial target, but in a nirvana sort of way. In the way that, were Amtrak to be eliminated, the world would be a beautiful place. Some sort of a totem, or perhaps an anti-totem.

I can understand why, say, NPB might set off a particular group of people. That seems to have direct relevance to the culture wars. But Amtrak? I can understand people opposing public provision of rail transportation, I might disagree (might agree in some situations), but I can understand the viewpoint.

What I can't understand is the almost visceral reaction some have to the thought of federal spending on Amtrak.

[Freericks]

Sure, when you think SDP40F you think Amtrak. But when you think Amtrak power you do not, I would say, in general first think of the SDP40F.

I've trimmed your post down to the problem portion of it for me...

You can't know what I think... you can only know what you think.

(Which even goes back to the question to Max - when he says it is this versus that to everyone, is he representing a certain demographic, or is he saying this is true of everyone period - clearly you support the latter.)

And yes... one image of Amtrak that I see is those orange GP7s on the NEC, scurrying about with work trains... suddenly shocking the hell out of me at Metropark when the chant of a 567 suddenly breaks through the air and the distant hum of the Garden State Parkway.

[Freericks]

Perennial target, but in a nirvana sort of way. In the way that, were Amtrak to be eliminated, the world would be a beautiful place. Some sort of a totem, or perhaps an anti-totem.

I can understand why, say, NPB might set off a particular group of people. That seems to have direct relevance to the culture wars. But Amtrak? I can understand people opposing public provision of rail transportation, I might disagree (might agree in some situations), but I can understand the viewpoint.

What I can't understand is the almost visceral reaction some have to the thought of federal spending on Amtrak.

Well, if you break it down to a per person cost... :lol:

Okay, I won't go there.

Honestly though, I believe it simply has to do with whether one believes that Amtrak is a vital service that should be provided. Everyone agrees that police and fire and roads are vital... as we get into other items, you start to get disagreement.

[JRMDC]

I've trimmed your post down to the problem portion of it for me...

You can't know what I think... you can only know what you think.

(Which even goes back to the question to Max - when he says it is this versus that to everyone, is he representing a certain demographic, or is he saying this is true of everyone period - clearly you support the latter.)

And yes... one image of Amtrak that I see is those orange GP7s on the NEC, scurrying about with work trains... suddenly shocking the hell out of me at Metropark when the chant of a 567 suddenly breaks through the air and the distant hum of the Garden State Parkway.

Well, fine. I think in this case you are being too literal in word interpretation in common usage in informal web forum posting. I would say that what Max wrote is his prediction of the response of people, that most would think of the F40. I suppose it makes sense to inquire if Max was really thinking of, say, all railfans of any age.

As for my sentence, I in no way think that I know what you think and I see now that my sentence should read

But when one thinks of Amtrak power one does not, I would say, in general first think of the SDP40F.

I do think you may have had too averse a reaction to my original sentence, but for the record the one above now holds. But I am too lazy to edit my previous post. :) (If I did so, no one would know what this one is about!)

[Freericks]

I do think you may have had too averse a reaction to my original sentence, but for the record the one above now holds. But I am too lazy to edit my previous post. :) (If I did so, no one would know what this one is about!)

It's okay, I have some calamine lotion. The rash is already starting to fade.

As to the F40 being the quintessential Amtrak locomotive or not... I think it may have been Jerry Seinfeld who said something about all men reaching a certain age and staying there... if turtle necks were in when you hit this age, you wear turtles necks for the rest of your life... if you lived in Pittsburgh when you were this age, you are a Steeler fan for life... These things all become the quintessential whatever they are to us.

Another person once told me that many people spend their entire lives listening to the same music that they were listening to when they were in college. And personally, I still like Supertramp, Squeeze and Split Enz... and crank them all.

Or, look at it this way...

Is Babe Ruth the quintessential Yankee?

Or is Joe Dimagio?

Or is Mickey Mantle?

Or is Reggie Jackson?

Or is Don Mattingly?

Or is Dereck Jeter?

For me, it's probably Mantle or Jackson... or maybe it's Ron Blomberg... I am personally weird that way... think of him as an Amtrak GP7.

[JRMDC]

if you lived in Pittsburgh when you were this age, you are a Steeler fan for life...
I did, and I am. :)

A nice article on Pittsburgh football culture.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=6041096


Is Babe Ruth the quintessential Yankee?

or maybe it's Ron Blomberg... I am personally weird that way... think of him as an Amtrak GP7.

Noted. At times I am glad you are way over there on the other coast. :)

[Freericks]

At times I am glad you are way over there on the other coast. :)

One day, Atlas picked the United States up like a rug, with Maine in his right hand and Florida in his left hand... and he shook it really hard. Everything that was loose rolled into California.

J.E.T.S. Jets, Jets, Jets (I'm from NJ).

[JimThias]

But to most people an F40 say more "Amtrak" than an E or F unit does.

Not to me. I grew up in the 70s with one of these in my model train collection:

http://www.collectibles-articles.com/antique/collectible-image-large/ho-scale-model-power-metal-f-7a-amtrak-locomotive-2161_220703649081.jpg

I don't think I ever saw an F40 until a movie that came out in the mid-80s that featured a runaway Amtrak locomotive.

edit: holy crap, they want $10,000 for that thing: http://www.collectibles-articles.com/antique/HO-scale-Model-Power-metal-F-7A-Amtrak-locomotive-2161_220703649081.html :shock:

[Freericks]

Of course, who can forget the graceful Amtrak PA1s?

<img src="http://forums.railpictures.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=6125&d=1295650992" border=0>

[JRMDC]

I do very much like the phase I scheme, my favorite of the amtraks. I am a fan of the pointless arrow.

And you have demonstrated to me that it matters not what the engine is, as long as it memorializes the greatness that is Amtrak. Amtrak PA-1s and GP40TCs forever! I now love them so. They move me, I am touched, I am made whole.

[IHapsias]

I did, and I am. :)

A nice article on Pittsburgh football culture.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=6041096


There must be something wrong with me.. I'm not a Steelers fan. :lol:

[JRMDC]

There must be something wrong with me.. I'm not a Steelers fan. :lol:

Welcome to Pittsburgh, the City of Champions! Dis-including the Pirates

Care to revise your signature, silly boy? :)

[Freericks]

I do very much like the phase I scheme, my favorite of the amtraks. I am a fan of the pointless arrow.

And you have demonstrated to me that it matters not what the engine is, as long as it memorializes the greatness that is Amtrak. Amtrak PA-1s and GP40TCs forever! I now love them so. They move me, I am touched, I am made whole.

Your words are beautiful... you have found your inner Leonard Cohen...

There must be something wrong with me.. I'm not a Steelers fan.

Your words are beautiful... you have found your inner Weeb Ewbank...

[JRMDC]

I do very much like the phase I scheme, my favorite of the amtraks. I am a fan of the pointless arrow.

And you have demonstrated to me that it matters not what the engine is, as long as it memorializes the greatness that is Amtrak. Amtrak PA-1s and GP40TCs forever! I now love them so. They move me, I am touched, I am made whole.

Really, the pointless arrow is home in any environment, in any era.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5088/5376513547_28182406a9.jpg

[Freericks]

Really, the pointless arrow is home in any environment, in any era.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5088/5376513547_28182406a9.jpg

I swear... I found that PA1 when I was looking for a Pointless Arrow steam engine.... great minds think alike...

You are the Robert Lowell of photoshop.

[JRMDC]

You are the Robert Lowell of photoshop.

He himself was a photoshopper of sorts; I bet he would love HDR ...

But sometimes everything I write
with the threadbare art of my eye
seems a snapshot,
lurid, rapid, garish, grouped,
heightened from life,
yet paralyzed by fact.
All's misalliance.
Yet why not say what happened?


OK, OK, its from the wiki, I can't say I am familiar with his work. :) But the quote seems to fit, which is scary.

[JimThias]

Pointless arrow? Wow, I guess you DO learn something new every day. I've never heard that term before in my life. :lol:

[Freericks]

I studied Lowell as part of my Master's program...

From Terminal Days at Beverly Farms

... Father and Mother moved to Beverly Farms
to be a two minute walk from the station,
half an hour by train from the Boston doctors.
They had no sea-view,
but blue sky tracks of the commuters' railroad shone
like a double-barrelled [sic] shotgun
through the scarlet late August sumac...


Yes... he knew how to Photoshop (with words)

[35mmguy]

That's awesome, I remember the old F40's, there's a few on the South Florida Tri-Rail line. Hope it makes it down to Florida.

[jnohallman]

Time to weigh in on the "quintessential" debate. First of all, Charles, how on earth could you leave Lou Gehrig off the list when naming Yankees? Or Yogi Berra? :shock:

As far as the debate over whether and F40 is the proper choice over and E unit or something else, I'd be inclined to argue in favor of the F40, and I grew up on the NEC with electric power (though, sadly, I was too young to pay attention to the last years of the GG1). The biggest argument against any of the older generation diesels if the aim is to celebrate Amtrak is that none of them were truly Amtrak engines. I don't mean that Amtrak didn't own them - only that they were inherited engines, cast off in a sense by the same railroads that also cast off passenger service. The SDP40F might be a candidate, except that it was really adopted as a temporary fix, had too many early problems, and then there's the fact that there's only one left in anything close to original condition and it belongs to someone else (can you say Portland and Western?). The F40 really represents Amtrak's first true modern diesel passenger power (HEP, no steam generators, etc.) - and as much as some of us might think in terms of electrics, the fact of the matter is only an internal combustion engine can go everywhere on the system. It gets my vote.

Jon
(Who would really prefer a K4s)

[Freericks]

Time to weigh in on the "quintessential" debate. First of all, Charles, how on earth could you leave Lou Gehrig off the list when naming Yankees? Or Yogi Berra? :shock:

Or Whitey Ford, Don Larson, Bill Dickey (who Roy Campanella told me was the best catcher ever), Thurman Munson, Catfish Hunter, Mariano Rivera, etc... I think anyone can come up with quite a list.

But, I'm a Mets fan.

[jnohallman]

But, I'm a Mets fan.

And you have my sympathy . . . :lol:

Jon

[jdirelan87]

Welcome to Pittsburgh, the City of Champions! Dis-including the Pirates
Steelers Suck!GO PACKERS!

Pick sides

BTW 'dis-including' isn't a word

Stairway to Seven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[PLEzero]

Pick sides

BTW 'dis-including' isn't a word

Stairway to Seven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[photoid=185124]


Janusz and John hit the nail on the head. You can't ride the fence on this one. You're either a Pittsburgh fan or your not.

[IHapsias]

Care to revise your signature, silly boy? :)

I don't like the Steelers, never said anything about the City and its name.


Better...?
Welcome to Pittsburgh! GO PENS! and GO Pirates!
Steelers Suck! GO PACKERS!

[IHapsias]

And you have my sympathy . . . :lol:

Jon

and I'm a Pirates fan! :)

[JRMDC]

I don't like the Steelers, never said anything about the City and its name.


Better...?
Welcome to Pittsburgh! GO PENS! and GO Pirates!
Steelers Suck! GO PACKERS!

Better? Questionable. At least it is coherent.

[Freericks]

Does anyone in America even care about football anymore after last night's complete and utter destruction of all our hopes and dreams, yet again?

[JRMDC]

Does anyone in America even care about football anymore after last night's complete and utter destruction of all our hopes and dreams, yet again?

"our"

"OUR" ???

good one, geo-centric former east-coaster! No one cares about the suffering of the NYC loyalists! Go back to your worm holes, vile pond scum! :twisted:

[Freericks]

I come here for the schadenfreude.

[Mgoldman]

Really, the pointless arrow is home in any environment, in any era.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5088/5376513547_28182406a9.jpg

Reminds me of this from AHM way back:
(Photo by "Carl" from an interesting site called HO Seeker.net)
http://www.tycoforums.com/tyco/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8996

http://www.tycoforums.com/tyco/forum/uploaded/vintageho/20101002195150_zAHM%205145F%20Conrail%204-6-2B.jpg

/Mitch

[jnohallman]

and I'm a Pirates fan! :)

I'm truly sorry.

Jon
Phillies Phan

[jnohallman]

Does anyone in America even care about football anymore after last night's complete and utter destruction of all our hopes and dreams, yet again?

You're a Mets fan and a Jets fan? :shock:

Jon

[Freericks]

You're a Mets fan and a Jets fan? :shock:

Jon

And at one time, Nets and Sets... but I honestly don't follow basketball anymore at all and pro team tennis didn't last very long.

[coborn35]

The SDP40F might be a candidate, except that it was really adopted as a temporary fix, had too many early problems, and then there's the fact that there's only one left in anything close to original condition and it belongs to someone else (can you say Portland and Western?).
Jon

TTCI has one, but you would never be able to get it.

[IHapsias]

I'm truly sorry.

Jon
Phillies Phan

Why? Just because they suck doesn't do jack squat. Tickets are cheap & I can go fairly often. I'm going to a event they call " Pirates Fest " this friday, for season ticket holders ( I have my ways )

[PLEzero]

Why? Just because they suck doesn't do jack squat. Tickets are cheap & I can go fairly often. I'm going to a event they call " Pirates Fest " this friday, for season ticket holders ( I have my ways )

Who needs winning when you can get an Andrew McCutchen action figure or free t-shirt just for showing up? :grin:

[jdirelan87]

Who needs winning when you can get an Andrew McCutchen action figure or free t-shirt just for showing up? :grin:

Yup, fireworks and bobble heads every night. Pirates know as long as they keep chugging out that all summer they never have to worry about fielding a productive team. Hopefully these past few years of the other hometown teams rockin' it make people demand more. I use to go to 10-20 games a year, then got sick and tired of seeing them out of it by the second inning. The team and front office are the biggest embarrassment in the city.

[jnohallman]

And here I was just being facetious . . .

Jon

[Mgoldman]

First unit, out and about:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2386222
(Andy Beckort)

/Mitch

[coborn35]

[photoid=353097]

[Freericks]

I for one love it.

[nikos1]

Heritage or not thats an absolutely terrible shot....how the hell did it make it. I would rather have seen a proper roster, I couldve dealt with that even in that lighting.

[coborn35]

I remember when the NS F units came out RP even came out and said they were going to wait for the inevitable good sunny shots, not just take anything to be newsworthy.

[Joe the Photog]

They should have just waited a few hours before taking the first shot that was uploaded.

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[jnohallman]

Now, can we start a campaign to get Amtrak to revert to that scheme? I, for one, think it looks much better than what they've currently got.

Jon

[crazytiger]

Yeah, me, too, John. I think it looks better, but I can't wait to see the other tributes.

[PLEzero]

[photoid=353231]

Here it is in daylight. I don't want to be the only one left out of the view race. Enjoy.

[crazytiger]

The latest one should not have been accepted, period. Seems nothing would have prevented them from shooting a few seconds earlier or standing a couple feet down the road.

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[troy12n]

The latest one should not have been accepted, period. Seems nothing would have prevented them from shooting a few seconds earlier or standing a couple feet down the road.

[photoid=353256]

Yea, that is pretty much garbage...

I like this scheme, it's pretty damn good. Looks better than the original Phase 3 scheme introduced on the P40.

Personally I wish they would have stuck with Phase 4, but this is about the best looking Genesis scheme they have had. No way they will change back, considering how much they have spent on re-branding themselves.

Cant wait to see if they do a Phase 1 or Phase 2

[PLEzero]

Cant wait to see if they do a Phase 1 or Phase 2

I hope I don't ruin the surprise for you. Four units to be done in each of the four schemes. 156 gets phase 1, 66 gets phase 2, 145 gets phase 3, 184 gets phase 4. All will be in service by the end of April. The exhibit train featuring a P40 (822), F40 (unknown), three baggage cars, and an Amfleet food car will debut in Washington, D.C. on May 7.

[Freericks]

I like your pic best of all, Brad (The others have some good stuff, but I like daylight better than night).

[jdirelan87]

[photoid=353231]

Here it is in daylight. I don't want to be the only one left out of the view race. Enjoy.

Thanks AMTK 145 for once again proving the first rule of railfanning: at one point, everything will pass through or within eye shot of Conway.

[IHapsias]

Chalk up number 7

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And number 8

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[stlgevo51]

I'm sure this has been talked about in this thread or the other thread a few weeks back, but why is the cab painted black? I thought that was just an F40 thing. The P40s all had silver cabs, didn't they?

[Freericks]

I'm sure this has been talked about in this thread or the other thread a few weeks back, but why is the cab painted black? I thought that was just an F40 thing. The P40s all had silver cabs, didn't they?

And I am sure the Phase Four unit will have a silver cab.

It looks odd to you, just beacuase you haven't seen a P42 in that scheme before (no one has).

[hoydie17]

Stairway to Seven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[photoid=185124]

Looks like that stairway has a few more flights to go yet....

[coborn35]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq3MkG2CBUE&feature=player_embedded

[JimThias]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq3MkG2CBUE&feature=player_embedded

Boring. Looks like a clean version of a cabbage I photographed a couple of weeks ago.

[Miketherailfan]

Boring. Looks like a clean version of a cabbage I photographed a couple of weeks ago.
But do you notice that giant sliding door in the middle of the carbody of the 406? That's kind of a difference between it and the cabbages there. Plus, you don't have a the number 90 before the 3 digit number.

[coborn35]

Heres the next one:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/larry84988/5532430902/in/contacts/

[stlgevo51]

[photoid=357124]
This thing is atrocious! It looks like a really poorly done model train.

[jnohallman]

Yeah. That paint scheme was just as atrocious the first time around, though.

Jon

[JRMDC]

Other than too much black and not enough red on the nose, I like it. The original is still my favorite Amtrak scheme. None of the Amtrak schemes are particularly good but I prefer the red nose to the others.

[troy12n]

Absolutely not enough red on the nose, they need to use mine:

http://forums.railpictures.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=6369&stc=1&d=1300321668

[PLEzero]

Phase IV and II have been released and lead yesterdays Capital Limited.

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[troy12n]

Wish they would go back to phase 4, it was the best looking paint on the Genesis units.

[crazytiger]

Question for all: As they were done on the P42, which one is your favorite?

For me, it would be Phase II or III, but I think its Phase III. AMTK 145, uh huh.

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[PLEzero]

Phase IV has been my favorite so far. I haven't seen F40 406 yet but I think it is safe to say that will become my favorite.

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[crazytiger]

Okay, then lemme say excluding 406. I was asking about the Gennies.

[stlgevo51]

On the 145 and 822, why didn't they paint the can and nose silver, like the real Phase III Genesis engines? I think the black looks okay but it is completely inaccurate regarding past GEs. Sure, the F40s had black cabs, but the Genesis engines did not, so why didn't they just paint them in the old scheme?
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By the way, Phase IV is the best in my opinion.

[troy12n]

On the 145 and 822, why didn't they paint the can and nose silver, like the real Phase III Genesis engines? I think the black looks okay but it is completely inaccurate regarding past GEs. Sure, the F40s had black cabs, but the Genesis engines did not, so why didn't they just paint them in the old scheme?
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By the way, Phase IV is the best in my opinion.

Maybe they will do one in the "genesis" version of phase 3? With or without "the fade". Why not?

Phase 5 was always goofy looking, I dont know why they continue this crap, they gave up phase 5 on cars thank god.

[Freericks]

Here's Phase Six, which will be announced on Train Day... all P42s will receive this treatment (inlcuding the heritage ones).

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Or not. ;-)

[AntD.]

On the 145 and 822, why didn't they paint the can and nose silver, like the real Phase III Genesis engines? I think the black looks okay but it is completely inaccurate regarding past GEs. Sure, the F40s had black cabs, but the Genesis engines did not, so why didn't they just paint them in the old scheme?
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By the way, Phase IV is the best in my opinion.

If they add the operating 3 strobes that would be nice as *($(!!!

[coaststarlight14]

the original phase IV, and phase V on p42's was ugly!!! i liked the "as delivered" phase III and Vb

[coaststarlight14]

Maybe they will do one in the "genesis" version of phase 3? With or without "the fade". Why not?

Phase 5 was always goofy looking, I dont know why they continue this crap, they gave up phase 5 on cars thank god.

phase Vb was better then phase V
it would've looked bad on the cars

[EMD]

Well, call me devil’s advocate, but I like the Phase V scheme best. :twisted:
The previous are awesome, true, but a little too “flashy” for my liking.
The V has a certain elegance of its own. Oh yeah, and I like the current logo better then the pointless arrow. :evil:
Phase IV looks awesome, but I mean, look at that beauty by the side (http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=360673&nseq=0) !:shock:

[JimThias]

Heritage units 822 and 406 were chillin' together today in Chicago. Apparently they went out on the eastbound Hoosier State.

[stlgevo51]

Here's Phase Six, which will be announced on Train Day... all P42s will receive this treatment (inlcuding the heritage ones).

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Or not. ;-)
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Next do one like this! This thing is hideous! This might have been worse than the PC solid black scheme.

[AntD.]

http://www.rail-videos.net/video/view.php?id=11041

BINGO! Bad A$$!!! Add the strobes!!!