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EMTRailfan
12-29-2011, 03:40 PM
With the fairly recent good news of The Valley Railroad getting the Knox and Kane Mikado #58 restored and operating as New Haven 3025, I wanted to share a video of the Knox and Kane Railroad in better times that I have just uploaded. I had spoken with KKRR personnel in 2007, and they had told me that they had hoped to return to passenger excursions running from Kane to the Kinzua Viaduct in the summer of 2008. They had also stated at that time that the former Huntingdon and Broad Top 2-8-0 #38 was almost ready to run after an FRA inspection, so they had hoped to finish the season out with steam after starting it with GP9 #39. With the failing health of owner Sloan Cornell (in the orange hat at Knox in the video), the tragedy of the 2008 engine house arson fire with the loss of #39, #38, and #58 put the nail in the coffin for the Knox and Kane making them sell off the entire physical property at the 10/08 liquidation auction in which J. David Conrad purchased #58 for the VALE, Alan Maples won #38 for his Everett RR at Holidaysburg, PA, and Gerald Altizer won GP9 #39 for his Georges Creek Railway in Maryland.

This video is not my video, but is a close friend’s who gave me permission to edit and upload to my YouTube channel. He is credited in the closing credits as well as the video description. Understand that he was 16 at the time, and shooting with an old "VHS bazooka", so the quality is not that of today's HD digitals. The 1/2 hour long video is of a special excursion from the KKRR’s base of operations in Marienville to my hometown of Knox in 1993, and was covered in I believe the Jan 1994 issue of Railpace. This would be the last passenger train into Knox with the rails removed from the eastern terminus of Knox west to Clarion Jct. in 2001. Removal of the remainder of the line was started at Clarion Jct. in the spring of 2010 by Kovalchick Corp., and it appears that they have pulled up camp for the winter in the area of Crown with the rest of the line remaining from this point RR west to the Kinzua Viaduct, minus crossings.

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Here are the KKRR photos featured on RP. Oddly enough, there are no photos of either steamer with exception of my post arson photos, so also attaching a RRPA link for all locos.
http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?offset=15&where=||Knox+%26+Kane+Railroad||||||1|||||||||||Kn ox+%26+Kane+Railroad||||||||||||||||||
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoList.aspx?id=KKRR

Here are the photos of #58 restored as VALE 3025 on RP. Congrats to The Valley in the successful restoration.
http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?road_number=VALE%203025

stlgevo51
12-29-2011, 11:11 PM
Sad to see the old railroad. They had a pretty rough history with the tornado and fire. Glad to see the 2-8-2 is looking sharp again at the Valley!

How is the GP9's restoration going? Did the fire damage any of its internal components? Does the Georges Creek Railway need to replace any major parts like the prime mover?

EMTRailfan
12-30-2011, 01:41 AM
Sad to see the old railroad. They had a pretty rough history with the tornado and fire. Glad to see the 2-8-2 is looking sharp again at the Valley!

How is the GP9's restoration going? Did the fire damage any of its internal components? Does the Georges Creek Railway need to replace any major parts like the prime mover?

Sloan Cornell had quite the railroading history with owning 5 different railroads in his career. Wayne Cole just released a book in which a big part of it covers the KNox and Kane segment of the former B&O Northern Sub and also a section devoted to Sloan Cornell's railroading history. a few of us local to the KKRR assisted Wayne in providing photos, charts, and other data. The name of the book is Ghost Rails VIII-The Northern Sub if you are interested.

***EDIT***
As far as #38, the Baldwin 2-8-0, the last that I had heard was that it went directly to the Western Maryland Scenic for restoration. I have not heard a progress report since then.

The video below was shot 2 years ago, and I don't think there has been much done since due to GCK getting a new office location, and now I think the opened an old line for coal or something.
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Here is video that I shot in June 2009 when the BPRR picked 39 up in Kane and took it back to Johnsonburg on the BPRR's A&E Sub for interchange with the BPRR's mainline to go to New Castle and south on CSXT from the to GCK. I was surprised that I was the only person out that day other than a local newspaper reporter. Yes, I had inside info, but I was not the only one that knew about it. I have a cell pic that Gerald Altizer pixed me of #39 passing State Line, and the few that I have seen here on RP and at RRPA are all that I have seen of it in transit.
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EMTRailfan
01-15-2012, 03:36 PM
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Be prepared to commit 55 minutes to watch.

Here is another Knox and Kane RR gem from 1991 and 1993 compliments of Bob Hartle. Bob was kind enough to allow me to edit in the location subtitles and allow me to upload his video to my YouTube account to share with the world.
segments contain:

A weed spraying job from Clarion Jct. to Elk City
Watering #58 at Russell City with departure and horn action
#1 pulling a lone box car back to Marienville across RT66 in Leeper with
contents from the Knox station and engine house.
Work train powered by #44 transporting the removed Conrail interchange at
Shippenville to Marienville.


http://youtu.be/JWM60NFzWog

EMTRailfan
01-27-2012, 03:16 AM
The Bob Hartle video in message #4 above has finally made it through YouTube's Stuck In Processing glitch that a lot of ppl seemed to have. The message has been edited and corrected.

Currently working on another gem from Mr. Hartle, with his permission of course, and will post with in a few days (pending no more YT glitches).

EMTRailfan
01-29-2012, 02:51 PM
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Here is the other hour long Knox and Kane RR gem from Bob Hartle mentioned above. This one compliments Greg Hoover's 1993 Excursion to Knox chase video that I shared around Christmas (found above) as he and Bob played leap-frog for the chase, and there are a lot of different locations featured. You even see Greg chasing/pacing a view times in this video lol. Bob and Greg were generous enough to give me permission to edit in the location subtitles and upload to my channel and share, and both have been properly credited in the closing credits and YouTube descriptions. I am in no way claiming ownership to either of the three videos that I have recently shared.
Locations featured in this video:
*Marienville
*RT66 crossing-Roses
*Kahle Dr.-Vowinckel
*Haggerty Dr.-Crown
*RT66 crossing-Leeper
*Wolbert Dr.-Snydersburg
*Griebel Dr.-Snydersburg
*Lucinda Station
*Schupp Dr.-Schills
*Zacherl Fruit Market-Arthurs
*RT66 crossing-Paint MIlls
*Fulton Rd.-Elk City
*RT338 crossing-Knox
*Destination-Knox