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BNSF7687
07-25-2005, 04:54 PM
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=113484

Now I won't say "Oh, it's definitely a photoshop" and start a flame war, but I think this one may have been tampered with.

The train seems to be in late day, fading light. The city seems to be in good, mid-afternoon light. And in the background seems to be nighttime.

Billchor has had some great shots, and he says in the remarks that he has been waiting 2 years for this shot, but the lighting has me baffled.

Any thoughts? Are there ways the lighting could have been like this?

EDIT: I also noticed that there's a green line running down the left side of the image.

Donna
07-25-2005, 04:59 PM
It could have been but I'm not from country like that. It does look strange. :confused:

hoops
07-25-2005, 05:02 PM
The moon seems to be a little large.

mbates
07-25-2005, 07:37 PM
I don't know. I'd hate to accuse a guy of something when it's really a legitimate picture. If it is legitimate though, it shouldn't be hard to prove.

I always take multiple shots and send in the best one.

If I were Billchor and I had multiple pictures, I'd just submit a few more pictures showing the train coming up the hill toward the camera.

That green line is strange ... :roll:

Ken Carr
07-25-2005, 07:54 PM
I don't know, I've only been in that country for a few days, it's a great shot wish I could of taken it. But unless Chris or Chris says otherwise I truly do not believe this is the forum or venue for this type of question. Either e-mail or PM the site owners, it their site and their choice. Leave this type of question out of the forum...Just my opinion...Ken

mbates
07-25-2005, 08:29 PM
If the screeners let it through and it's part of the webiste, then why is this forum not the venue to ask a legitimate question?

It doesn't matter who likes or dislikes a picture. The question is: "Is it real?"

If it is real it will prevail, just like the post where someone claimed a picture was that of a model.

Sorry to have to disagree, but this forum is part of RP.net, hence the right venue to ask questions.

dsktc
07-25-2005, 09:26 PM
I am puzzled by the different lighting in
the scene as well as the phase of the Moon.

The Moon in the photograph is a Gibbous Moon
not the nearly full Moon an observer in Athens would
have seen last Wednesday evening.

According to Heavens-above.com for Athens,
moonrise was at 20:25 on 20 July 2005.

http://www.heavens-above.com/moon.asp?lat=37.983&lng=23.733&alt=147&loc=Athens&TZ=EET&Date=38553.8454050926

Sunset, meanwhile, was at 20:44 that evening with
the Moon then above the horizon but quite low in the southeastern sky.

The Acropolis and the buildings to the left of the
train are bathed in evening twilight but the
buildings below Acropolis Hill appear considerably
brighter than the ruins above.

http://www.culture.gr/2/21/211/21101a/e211aa01.html

http://www.chem.uoa.gr/Location/AthensMap/Athensmap.htm

It is not easy to get a good exposure of the Moon,
combine that with an urban landscape and a train
to boot, and I would have to conclude that this
shot is a composite of two different photos or
Billchor is a very lucky guy who took this photograph
prior to the 20th of July.

Dave

LAHDPOP
07-25-2005, 09:32 PM
Nice catch on the moon phase.

dsktc
07-25-2005, 09:41 PM
The moon seems to be a little large.

Not really. See:

http://www.thursdaysclassroom.com/15jun00/ponzo.html

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050623.html

Dave

busyEMT
07-26-2005, 12:57 AM
I think the green line is artifact from a scanner.

brunswickrailfan
07-28-2005, 12:48 PM
This is obviously a film-scan...which is very very hard to alter without looking like a sore thumb.

quiksmith10
07-28-2005, 04:07 PM
I picked up that the train and city were both photographed at the same time, probably late in the evening. You can see the reflection of the city on the left side of the train. It appears to me that the photo might be real with the exception of the moon. By looking at the links that Dave provided, there didn't look to be hardly any, if no light from the sun casting on the monuments while the moon was up.

brunswickrailfan
07-29-2005, 04:26 AM
Still, getting *anything* into that picture without it looking bad is impossible...

ddavies
07-31-2005, 06:21 PM
I don't think I have ever seen the moon so low and still be white, rather than reddish or yelowish because of atmospheric haze. Looks like a double exposure to me.

rbenko
08-07-2005, 04:47 AM
The caption says it was taken around noon - would the moon be rising at that point? Looking at the shadows cast by the bridge railing in the lower right, the sun is clearly pretty high in the sky. Maybe it is because the shot is underexposed, seemingly to preserve detail in the moon, but the lighting between the Acropolis, the buildings below it, and the train just doesn't seem to mesh.