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Railfanwindow.com
12-03-2003, 12:11 AM
I joined yesterday and my first attempt at uploading a photo was rejected due to "duplicate submission. :( " I appealed, and was told just now that my appeal is rejected because "photo already in database." I was wondering if anyone could tell me if I'm missing something here, or is my photo already in the database somewhere. Here is my rejected photo. Thanks.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=16693

Curtis Wininger
12-03-2003, 12:28 AM
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=41125

That's pretty much the same photo, except for the number painted on the train. Try to add a little more variety.

Quality over quantity.

dsktc
12-03-2003, 12:33 AM
Brian, I surmise it was rejected because it is so similar
to your accepted photo:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=41125

Try a different location or angle next time.

Dave

Railfanwindow.com
12-03-2003, 12:34 AM
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=41125

That's pretty much the same photo, except for the number painted on the train. Try to add a little more variety.

Quality over quantity.

Same photo? Not at all! One is of an Arrow III electric MU train and the other is of a Comet V push-pull cab car. They are two VERY distinct pieces of rolling stock. Are you being serious that they look the same to you, or do you know what I'm talking about? To people who know what these two trains are, and I hope that would be most people, these two trains are very different creatures. I would think that the screeners would know that.

Edit: even the info that I included with the photos clearly shows that these are two different types of trains. I just don't get it.

iCe
12-03-2003, 01:03 AM
I have to agree with Railfanwindow on this one.

Those two trains look nothing alike. They are two different kinds of trains! Slightly different livery, too.

Curtis Wininger
12-03-2003, 02:13 AM
I realize they are two different trains, and I also realize that shot has little photographic value. It would proably be possible to squeeze in a couple of pictures from a single attractive location; however, if that location is less than desirable, the story is different.

Try to explore a little. Find some other places you like. See how that works out for you. Maybe you would find your pictures turning out better. It doesn't hurt to wander around every now and then.

Being that I didn't reject the photo either time, I can only speak for myself. That's just what I have to say about it.

Railfanwindow.com
12-03-2003, 02:34 AM
I realize they are two different trains, and I also realize that shot has little photographic value. It would probably be possible to squeeze in a couple of pictures from a single attractive location; however, if that location is less than desirable, the story is different.

I just thought I'd upload one example of each type of train I photographed at that location...it was only a total of three photos.

And what's wrong with the location? I think Track B @ Rahway is neat because it is the only non-concrete tied track on the NEC going through that area. It makes that track look old and decrepit compared to the modern NEC.

Chris Starnes
12-03-2003, 03:34 PM
Try a different angle, try something new, be creative....it won't hurt, we promise!

Chris

oltmannd
12-03-2003, 03:50 PM
I completely agree with railfanwindow.

I think the problem is that these were of commuter trains and the screeners knowledge base is almost entirely present day freight. They probably can't tell the difference between a Budd Pioneer and Silverliner III, or Comet I from a Comet IV. Because of this, you have to be very specific in your comments or in your appeal in order to educate the screeners without insulting them.

Compare these:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=38627
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=38626
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=34269
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=30868

and

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=34325
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=34324
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=34271
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=33904
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=32488
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=32485
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=32123
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=34105
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=30965
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=30962
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=30869
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=30561
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=34560
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=30282
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=29238


All are nice shots at a really neat location, but, with the exception of being tele or normal, the location and composition are nearly identical with only salient difference being subtle differences in equipment.

So, the precedent for identical composition and different, but similar equipment on consecutive shots exists in the database.

-Don

Chris Starnes
12-03-2003, 04:00 PM
These shots that you linked are spread out over our database. We do not want to limit a photographer to just one photo from each location. Had the photos not been uploaded back to back, I doubt they would have been rejected.

Railfanwindow:
If you want to upload a pair of photos like that in the future that look so much alike please space them out and do not upload back to back.

Most everyone shoots at the same location from time to time - just be a little more picky about what you upload (and with the order you upload them).

Thanks.

oltmannd
12-03-2003, 05:34 PM
These shots that you linked are spread out over our database. We do not want to limit a photographer to just one photo from each location. Had the photos not been uploaded back to back, I doubt they would have been rejected.

Railfanwindow:
If you want to upload a pair of photos like that in the future that look so much alike please space them out and do not upload back to back.

Most everyone shoots at the same location from time to time - just be a little more picky about what you upload (and with the order you upload them).

Thanks.

Nice try, but

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=38627
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=38626

are back to back (there were other pairs in the list as well), recent, and identical except for the equipment. An MU and a Push-pull are as different as a coal train and a multilevel or an SD60M and a Dash 9, no?

In general, the NEC commuter stuff seems to be under-represented in the database (although there's no shortage of Acela wedge shots...). I'd like to see more. So, how about it, you NECers? How about a shot with the mural in Market East or some upper level shots at 30th St or exiting the tunnel at 18th St with the city as a backdrop? How about NJT over the river at Red Bank or Manasquan? How about some MetroNorth MUs along the Hudson or going by Sing-Sing?

-Don

P.S. Nice "left coast" stuff you posted, Chris!

Curtis Wininger
12-03-2003, 06:46 PM
Yes, Don. But compare the scenery of the photos you posted in the previous reply to that of the two commuter photos.

Like I said before, we don't process these pictures as if we are machines. We will try to, though.

iCe
12-03-2003, 10:40 PM
I, for one, an a BIG fan of commuter/passenger trains. So to me, a lot of the NS or BNSF trains shot from the same location with a different engine number or different cars, look very alike and boring. However, when I see commuter/passenger trains in the new photos section, I click on every single one of them. I guess the freight fans out there are just opposite. They can probably tell the difference between all the freight locomotives in a second and find them all very interesting. However all the passenger trains probably just look similar and boring to them.

The point of all that is the idea that everyone is different. As a viewer, just don't click on the photos you find boring or alike. As a screener, consider other people's interests and preferences (I take most of you are all freight fans by looking at your photos).

Hope I don't get in trouble for this...

bitburger
12-03-2003, 11:19 PM
I can agree with ICE on the most part of what he said...
I have the same problem here, i really like to take shots of out commuter trains and trams here in Karlsruhe but, well actually every single of them is different but that can only be seen when you know the trains and when you see them every day... like here every single tram has different commercials or special themes or there are even specials versions of those trams/trains...
Lets see, with the new schedule there'll be some new connections and also a whole new commuter train network... the S-Bahn Rhine-Neckar.
I'll try a few connections out and i hope to get some cool pix :)

And with that: dont click on what youre not interested is soso true :P

Greets bitburger

mu23
12-25-2003, 07:21 AM
Oltmannd wins another round by simply perusing the database. Darn those obvious facts! Ice you may misunderstand the situation down here: Many railfans in the U.S. rarely see a passenger train. Most of the railroading in this country is freight, and by a very wide margin at that. Somehow passenger trains have been identified as the Devil's own form of transportation by one of our political parties and get short shrift in Congress. (Hint: Their mascot sports a trunk.) There are plenty of passenger trains on the coasts and many of the larger cities are waking up to the fact that building highways forever and ever is a fool's game, but those in the flyover states are mostly freightbound for the foreseeable future. And no, I have no idea why they dislike passenger railways so much. "Too Many Subsidies!" is always the ostensible rallying cry, but everyday I ride a highway built by the Gov and pass an airport built by the Gov, manned by air-traffic controllers employed by the Gov, being guarded by the National Guard and Federal Air Marshals (ever see a federal rail Marshal?) so what the real agenda is remains a mystery to all but the most rabidly partisan. So we take a lot of freight train pictures. I would concede that many American railfans lean towards freight, but a train's a train and a foamer's a foamer and they'll point a camera at anything on rails given the chance; it's just that the chances are slim that there will be any passengers involved. Hope it's better in Canada.
www.mdrails.com

iCe
01-02-2004, 11:55 PM
It's actually about the same in Canada. It's just where I live there are few passenger trains, and no freight trains. :( :roll:

arnstg
02-25-2004, 04:42 AM
Hi! I have been on this site for less than a week and I will give my feelings of what I have seen.

Photos which are of historic nature of extinct RR's are fine. Also, photos of rare equipment or shortlines are fine.

However, to use an example, how many wedge shots of a BNSF loco in an uninteresting location are really needed.


Some the best photos I have seen on this site, and sent comments to, were those where the background was a part of the photo instead of being ignored. Paging thru the photos for me, A wedge photo would have to have something which would grab me fast. When I see a photo with a pleasing background, I usually look it and if I like it, will submit a comment on it.

RR photography is not just getting a photo of a loco in a wedge shot but showing the area where it is.

arnstg
02-25-2004, 04:51 AM
Forgot this in my last.

I am both surprised and disappointed at the lack of comments which have been sent on the existing photos. Surely an "atta boy" or constructive criticism would be in order on more than there have been.


Again, being new I hope this will help this great sight. I am glad I found it.


Regards, Jerry

Chris Starnes
02-25-2004, 05:43 PM
Comments are good - it helps the photographer to get a pat on the back every now and then.

Ween
03-12-2004, 12:42 AM
Comments are good - it helps the photographer to get a pat on the back every now and then.

Comments? Heck, just getting your photos accepted is a pat on the back!!!! :lol:

arnstg
03-13-2004, 01:19 AM
To Ween-

Being accepted by this site is fine. But, wouldn't an "atta boy"from somebody else on this site make it any better? As you look at other peoples submissions, didn't you think it was worth giving them any kind of compliment for what they did?

Jerry

Ween
03-13-2004, 01:31 AM
To Ween-

Being accepted by this site is fine. But, wouldn't an "atta boy"from somebody else on this site make it any better? As you look at other peoples submissions, didn't you think it was worth giving them any kind of compliment for what they did?

Jerry

Sure, but I'm lazy. :lol:

I'll try and drop a few comments in the future...

egll
03-13-2004, 10:53 PM
Just to add a different perspective to this, over here in the UK variety is more difficult as the a much greater percentage of our system is located in urban areas. All of the network is fenced off-you can't just stop at a crossing, park your car by the track and start shooting, if you did you would end up at at the local police station. I would love to have more variety in the locations I shoot at but it really is pretty difficult when you don't have a car (which is something else which is a lot more expensive in the UK than it is in the USA).

It's ironic that US based aviation photographers say that Europe is the place to go for less restricted photography, but for rail photography the US is the place to go without a doubt.



Matt

arnstg
03-16-2004, 12:10 AM
To those who are partial to passenger and commuter trains, of which I am one, I sympathize with you. However, standing on a platform and getting the front 1/4 or 1/3rd of the leading unit doesn't make me study the photo because I cannot be sure sometimes of what I am looking at with such a limited view.

Get more creative or at least give me a broadside of the car or loco so I have a better perspective of what I am looking at

Regards, Jerry

VRE Man
03-22-2004, 09:34 PM
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=41125

That's pretty much the same photo, except for the number painted on the train. Try to add a little more variety.

Quality over quantity.


I had an email from a friend after a rejection I had for the same thing once. Funny thing not to give the admin or CS any hard times but Vurtis there is a photo from Chris Starnes & Someone else perhaps it was Ck that are the EXACT same photo spot of a CSX train near a Church on a hill. Funny if those two shots are in duplication then we have what we call a false standard here.

JB