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Chris
12-22-2006, 09:33 AM
Greetings all

Is there any way to darken the sky in shots like this without affecting the rest of the image?

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Many thanks for your assistance
Chris

alan-crotty
12-22-2006, 01:34 PM
Did you want a subtle grey, or a blue sky with clouds?

Alan

John Fladung
12-22-2006, 05:20 PM
Does this fall into the over-manipulated category?

Just wondering.

alan-crotty
12-22-2006, 05:47 PM
Hi Chris,

I forgot to ask which image editor you use?
Let me know and I'll guide you through the process.

John,

Over manipulated?

Putting the new sky in, as far as I'm concerned that should NOT be done for shots going into the database.

Darkening a light sky a bit, well I think that's acceptable. Darkroom workers have been burning in light bits and holding back shadow areas for over a hundred years, that's part of the skill of a photographc printer. Its just that bit easier to do now. After all you're just helping detail that was already there.

The alternative is to use a grey grad when faced with a bland sky, again, film workers have been doing that for years too.


Alan

Chris
12-22-2006, 09:30 PM
Did you want a subtle grey, or a blue sky with clouds?

Alan

Wow both of those are fantastic. Anything that takes the "shine" off the sky is good, but they are amazing.

I currently use paint shop pro 7. Is that program any good?

Thanks for you assistance
Chris

JRMDC
12-23-2006, 03:58 AM
Putting the new sky in, as far as I'm concerned that should NOT be done for shots going into the database.


Agreed, of course. But even for personal shots, remember that adding sky only works if the rest of the photograph matches. Here, in the first (otherwise extremely well done!) effort, the pretty blue sky does not match up with the dull lighting and lack of shadows. So it is an obvious manipulation.

I have on occasion tried putting in blue sky where I had blown it out in the camera - sometimes I remember to shoot pure sky shots from the same location/direction just for that purpose. These days I am trying to instead learn not to blow out the sky. :) :) Never for the database, only for personal use.

alan-crotty
12-23-2006, 09:02 AM
Hi JRMDC,

You are of course quite correct, the light angle etc. of the added sky must match the foreground picture, else the shot will look very poor indeed.

I originally just greyed the sky down, but for a bit of fun i added the sky from the first snap that came to hand.

Just a bit of fun.

Chris,

I don't use Paint Shop Pro, I'm a photo shop man, that's not to say PSP is no good. I know a man who does use PSP, so I'll check out how to adjust the sky and get back to you.

Alan

JRMDC
12-23-2006, 06:35 PM
Just a bit of fun.

I didn't mean to imply anything else. :)

TonytheTiger
12-23-2006, 07:50 PM
I work exclusively with Paint Shop Pro 8.1 and am considering getting the newest version Corel Paint Shop Pro Photo XI. I took about five minutes to play with your photo and came up with this. I darkened the sky and dropped the red and green very slightly to add a little color. I used a graduated selection tool so that the effect blends from light to dark from bottom to top. I also clarified the non sky portion of the photo to make it a little crisper.

Chris
12-24-2006, 12:31 AM
That looks great Tony. I never realised how much can be done with these programs.

I think i'll have to spend a day or two just experimenting with all the different options and seeing what they can do.

Thanks again guys. :)
Chris

alan-crotty
12-24-2006, 10:13 AM
Hi JRMDC

I didn't mean to imply anything else.

No offence taken :D

Keep taking the pics and Happy Christmas.

Chris

Tony seems to have given you some good guidance, as I'm not a Paint Shop Pro user and Tony is, I hope you don't mind me leaving you in his care :D

Alan

Chris
12-25-2006, 08:10 AM
No worries Alan, thanks for your help.

Now that I have a few days off over Christmas i'm going to sit down and work my way through all the options PSP7 has to offer. :)

Cheers
Chris