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firemanbeetle 05-23-2014 08:09 PM

Suggestions on bad cropping, please!
 
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This photo has been rejected for poor cropping multiple times. I've tried more/less sky, more/less grass, more/less around train.

What am I not seeing? Suggestions please?!?!?

Thanks!!

tbelton 05-23-2014 09:43 PM

Too tight on both sides. Can you back out some?

Holloran Grade 05-23-2014 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tbelton (Post 178856)
Too tight on both sides. Can you back out some?

Especially, in front.

firemanbeetle 05-23-2014 10:34 PM

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Here is a previous rejection with more space on both sides. I wish the screeners would be more specific.

Holloran Grade 05-23-2014 11:15 PM

The rear is ok, but still not enough up front and I think they are having problems with all the dead space up front.

Such as this:

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/36722129@N06/13596862723" title="Parallax by El Roco Photography, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3683/13596862723_bce41dd48b_z.jpg" width="640" height="457" alt="Parallax"></a>


If you can fix the crop, they are next going to hit you for unlevel (rotate slightly CW) and then they will get you for bad color/or not enough color since your exposure is sort of "washed out and/or over exposed.

They might also pop you for "high sun" just for shits and giggles due to the shadows off the radiator vents and the plow.

firemanbeetle 05-23-2014 11:40 PM

They already got the tilt.....too much ccw........and too much color saturation. Thanks for the reply!!! You're comments are appreciated!

Holloran Grade 05-24-2014 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by firemanbeetle (Post 178861)
They already got the tilt.....too much ccw........and too much color saturation. Thanks for the reply!!! You're comments are appreciated!

I think the main crop problem is how far you are from the train and all the space in the foreground - like in my example.

Joe the Photog 05-24-2014 02:23 AM

If there's a group of guys to give suggestions on bad cropping, it would be this group!

CSX1702 05-24-2014 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Holloran Grade (Post 178862)
..like in my example.

Yes, we all saw it, HG. Nice picture. :twisted:

EMTRailfan 05-24-2014 03:14 AM

Take your "more space" attachment and add even more to the front. Additionally, you are pretty much centered vertically. IMO, I would add more foreground and cut some sky since it isn't that great.

JimThias 05-24-2014 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Holloran Grade (Post 178860)
If you can fix the crop, they are next going to hit you for unlevel (rotate slightly CW) and then they will get you for bad color/or not enough color since your exposure is sort of "washed out and/or over exposed.

They might also pop you for "high sun" just for shits and giggles due to the shadows off the radiator vents and the plow.

I wouldn't have wasted any time and just hit it with the "Bad Angle" death blow. The utility pole growing out of the cab is awful. A frame or two earlier would have avoided that.

Poles like that are framing elements and people need to visualize that before the train comes.

Holloran Grade 05-24-2014 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CSX1702 (Post 178867)
Yes, we all saw it, HG. Nice picture. :twisted:

Ya, I figured out how to post pictures to RP without the annoyance of the screening process.

Holloran Grade 05-24-2014 07:54 AM

Don't Do it Like This......
 
So don't shoot odd angles with too much "stuff" in foreground like I did, rather

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/36722129@N06/13596862723" title="Parallax by El Roco Photography, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3683/13596862723_bce41dd48b_z.jpg" width="640" height="457" alt="Parallax"></a>



Do it like this:


[photoid=482494]

CSX1702 05-24-2014 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Holloran Grade (Post 178882)
Ya, I figured out how to post pictures to RP without the annoyance of the screening process.

I like it.

firemanbeetle 05-24-2014 02:56 PM

Thanks, all, for the suggestions. I wish I could post all of the variations of this shot that I've submitted. I've addressed every rejection...too much color...too little color....too much tilt in both directions....too much sky....too much foreground...etc...etc...etc...for some reason, the screeners just don't want this shot. This will go on record for having more rejections than any I've ever submitted.

Holloran Grade 05-24-2014 05:05 PM

Does it beat nine?

lalam 05-24-2014 05:28 PM

Received rejection on composition of the following... Any suggestions? Don't have much room on any side in the original. Thanks in advance.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...26&key=9661797

CSX1702 05-24-2014 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lalam (Post 178890)
Received rejection on composition of the following... Any suggestions? Don't have much room on any side in the original. Thanks in advance.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...26&key=9661797

I see nothing wrong with it.

Mberry 05-24-2014 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CSX1702 (Post 178891)
I see nothing wrong with it.

Same here....... Maybe they want a vertical shot/crop?

Mberry 05-24-2014 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Holloran Grade (Post 178889)
Does it beat nine?

I've definitely gone double digits in rejections on a couple of shots.

miningcamper1 05-24-2014 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CSX1702 (Post 178891)
I see nothing wrong with it.

Ditto!
But maybe some off the top will gain admission?

John West 05-24-2014 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lalam (Post 178890)
Received rejection on composition of the following... Any suggestions? Don't have much room on any side in the original. Thanks in advance.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...26&key=9661797

I am surprised it got rejected. By itself it is a rather dull image visually, but the caption information gives it a rather interesting story line. It probably would be a more informative image if it showed more of the cutting in relation to the surrounding countryside.

firemanbeetle 05-25-2014 02:22 PM

yet another resubmission..........rejected for being "too oversharpened." I softened it a bit, and guess what............rejected for being "too soft"!!

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...53&key=8105230

Mberry 05-25-2014 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by firemanbeetle (Post 178907)
yet another resubmission..........rejected for being "too oversharpened." I softened it a bit, and guess what............rejected for being "too soft"!!

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...53&key=8105230

And more importantly they gave you "Poor Lighting (High Sun)" which is a killer rejection..... and should have been given much, much earlier in the screening process. Though it doesn't seem that bad to me in that respect.

troy12n 05-25-2014 04:19 PM

So as to not have to start another thread, how about a cropping suggestion for this obviously poor shot?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...34&key=8477397

lalam 05-25-2014 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 178912)

Nice photo. Crop more from the left and it should be in.
Why not a single thread exclusively for everyone's cropping needs?

JRMDC 05-25-2014 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 178912)
So as to not have to start another thread, how about a cropping suggestion for this obviously poor shot?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...34&key=8477397

Can someone please explain to me just how much "better" this shot can be if the cropping is redone? Is the screener really adding value here?

Mberry 05-25-2014 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JRMDC (Post 178915)
Can someone please explain to me just how much "better" this shot can be if the cropping is redone? Is the screener really adding value here?

Agreed, I like it as is.

John West 05-25-2014 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 178912)
So as to not have to start another thread, how about a cropping suggestion for this obviously poor shot?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...34&key=8477397

Simple problem. Just clone out the highway speed sign. Just another one of those rejections that makes you scratch your head. It is really a very nice image, better than the vast majority accepted and better than a quite a few screener's choices I have seen. Good composition, great colors, interesting subject, well exposed, reasonably sharp, it really has it all. Hell I'd give it a PCA if you can only get it accepted.

The screener must be having a bad hair day.

CSX1702 05-25-2014 08:54 PM

I'm starting to see your point of view guys. I've seen a couple of WTF rejections the past couple days. Clearly no one else has a problem with these bad cropping rejections so why does the screener? And why should Troy and the other guy conform to what the screener wants?

troy12n 05-25-2014 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JRMDC (Post 178915)
Can someone please explain to me just how much "better" this shot can be if the cropping is redone? Is the screener really adding value here?

My thoughts exactly...

JimThias 05-26-2014 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by John West (Post 178921)
Good composition, great colors, interesting subject, well exposed, reasonably sharp, it really has it all.

Yes to all of those, but the poor train placement kills it for me (OCD kicking in).

Troy, you must not have machine-gunned it. :-P

By the way, this scene is a perfect example of a 5:4 ratio working really well.

John West 05-26-2014 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JimThias (Post 178924)
Yes to all of those, but the poor train placement kills it for me (OCD kicking in).

That comment surprises me. Where would prefer the train to be? To my eye the placement is about perfect. Which goes to show that there is a LOT of judgement in this game.

Holloran Grade 05-26-2014 01:21 AM

It would look better if it were closer to the brush on the left.

troy12n 05-26-2014 01:30 AM

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Troy, you must not have machine-gunned it. :-P
5D mark 1 doesn't exactly machine gun.

troy12n 05-26-2014 02:29 AM

Guess not, who knows...

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...11&key=1094881

jac_murphy 05-26-2014 03:32 AM

Photo looks just fine to me, too, placement-wise; frankly, asking for it to be closer to the brush seems somewhat nitpicky... my only issue with it, though, are the extremely obvious signs of masking around all the small branches in the sky.

-Jacques

EMTRailfan 05-26-2014 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 178912)
So as to not have to start another thread, how about a cropping suggestion for this obviously poor shot?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...34&key=8477397

I agree with the rest of the congregation on this one. The ONLY thing that I might consider would be to crop off or clone out the branch at the top/right that kinda looks like a scratch on your lens.

mark woody 05-26-2014 09:34 AM

Clone out the guy taking a pee up the road and it will be golden.:shock:;)

JimThias 05-26-2014 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by John West (Post 178926)
That comment surprises me. Where would prefer the train to be? To my eye the placement is about perfect. Which goes to show that there is a LOT of judgement in this game.

It looks "about perfect" to me as well, but what would make it perfect would be what this guy said:

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Originally Posted by Holloran Grade (Post 178927)
It would look better if it were closer to the brush on the left.

:smile:
Quote:

Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 178928)
5D mark 1 doesn't exactly machine gun.

I feel your pain. I had a lot of shots with the train not quite perfectly placed (in my eye) when I used to shoot with a 5D. The 60D is faster, but I still wish I had a camera in the 7-10 fps range. That would alleviate me from experiencing the nagging "if only the train were perfectly placed" emotion. :lol:

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Originally Posted by jac_murphy (Post 178934)
Photo looks just fine to me, too, placement-wise; frankly, asking for it to be closer to the brush seems somewhat nitpicky...

I agree 100%. But that's what being OCD about some things in life does to you. You know that leveling obsession I have? Well, it also applies to train placement on bridges. ;)


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