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David Harrison 08-15-2018 12:03 AM

Will I Ever Get This Composition Down
 
They say use the "thirds"...Can I divide the photo into thirds...Sections: 1,2,3...4,5,6...7,8,9. Keep the center of interest out of #5. Didn't I do this?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...65&key=7398080

OBrian Harmon 08-15-2018 12:11 AM

It looks like the train is too close to the edge on the right. The trees take up more space than the train when you look at the image as a whole, and not just focusing on the train. That might be what they mean by rule of thirds.

bigbassloyd 08-15-2018 12:56 AM

You can draw a line down the middle of the shot, and throw away the entire left side.

Loyd L.

Joseph Cermak 08-15-2018 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 194583)
You can draw a line down the middle of the shot, and throw away the entire left side.

Loyd L.

Agreed. If you have some more to add to the right that could also be helpful.

ROT is more than just keeping the subject out of section 5. Generally you want the subject at one of the intersection points if you use lines to divide the sections, in this case the nose of the train should be at the intersection of the left and lower dividing lines.

ShortlinesUSA 08-15-2018 01:43 AM

I've been watching your posts here for a bit, but have yet to say anything as I analyze your style and subjects. I feel I have seen enough now to make a few comments:

1. You shoot transit. These are trains, but a subject a pretty small percentage of the audience here is interested in. So there's strike one. Your photos are going to have to be above and beyond on a technical level.

2. The rejections you are posting so far come across to me as nothing but "grab shots." You have either grabbed a shot of another train you are passing while on transit, or while standing at a transit station.

3. The scenery in the areas you photograph is lacking (and that is likely beyond your control). So that makes the train the entire focus of your photograph. That's the killer, because the subject is something only a small percentage of the audience here is interested in, and places the screener's eye on looking for an exceptional photograph.

I only offer these observations because they are the types of lessons I have learned watching the forums here and having photographs rejected over the years. Participating here on the forums has only decreased the amount of photographs I have submitted to the site, and not because of feeling my material isn't any good. Rather, I have learned to be even more critical of my own work, and what I would have thought was an awesome shot just a few years ago will not see the light of day here at present.

So what I am saying is if you are pigeon holed into the subjects you are shooting, you need to strive to make them more interesting. Look to incorporate more "props" to make your photos more "railroady" such as including stations, signals, whatever. Also, the main purpose of transit is to move PEOPLE. Include some, whether they are working or riding. Transit is also typical of densely populated areas, so I am certain you can do more than photograph some MUs passing through a bunch of tall weeds, which is about as in depth as the linked rejected photo is.

So I hope this is a useful post. It's hard to express emotion through electrons, but please know I am writing this as nothing more than constructive advice. I didn't learn how to shoot photos overnight, and after shooting for over 30 years, still learn something here every day.

David Harrison 08-15-2018 04:12 AM

A lot of ideas. Here's my adjustment. I half-ed the shot and included more on the right.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...20&key=7252320

SAR Connecta 08-15-2018 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Harrison (Post 194586)
A lot of ideas. Here's my adjustment. I half-ed the shot and included more on the right.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...20&key=7252320

Better crop / composition, but I see a Cloudy / Common.....coming next.

miningcamper1 08-15-2018 07:36 AM

I always cringe when I see an unprotected third rail- just outrageously dangerous IMO.
And whatever is that fourth rail for? :confused:

Mberry 08-15-2018 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SAR Connecta (Post 194587)
Better crop / composition, but I see a Cloudy / Common.....coming next.

That and/or poor image quality. Cropping out half the photo has taken image quality way down.

Michael

David Harrison 08-15-2018 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miningcamper1 (Post 194588)
I always cringe when I see an unprotected third rail- just outrageously dangerous IMO.
And whatever is that fourth rail for? :confused:

CTA and Boston both use the unprotected third rail. The fourth rail is a guard rail, placed within the track it helped keep any derailed truck from leaving the track structure. It also is grounded and is used to carry the electrical current back to the generating station. On elevated track there are two guard rails. Also there are two timber guard blocks placed outside of the running rails. Note the safety trip used by the flagger and its position net to the third rail.

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Mberry, I agree about the cropping. SARConnecta, I see it coming too. Thanks all.


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