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Joe the Photog 07-27-2010 07:53 PM

LA Sheriff Threatens To Submit Photographer to FBI's Hit List
 
LA Sheriff Threatens To Submit Photographer to FBI's Hit List

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY2cCPW3H7g

MNJRR 07-27-2010 08:43 PM

Interesting, although the person in question wasn't being the most cooperative with the cop which i dont think helped the situation. Any time a cop approaches me I just out right answer his questions gotta try our best to stay on their good side and they can't arrest you if you're not doing anything illegal.

Diamond D 07-27-2010 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MNJRR (Post 118385)
they can't arrest you if you're not doing anything illegal.

Unfortunately, I'm not so sure about that, but yes the video taper was obviously uncooperative which provoked the situation. Of course, that was his point, to try and get the officer to 'invent' as many false reasons for the No Photography policy as possible. Who knows how far it would have gone had the kid simply provided his ID and said "I'm taking pictures for fun." I get the feeling that that particular officer wasn't going anywhere until he enforced his own No Photography policy.

I couldn't watch the whole video though, after about the 10th time of the officer saying "it's a tergerist terget" and "Al Kayda would love to buy those photos" I had to stop it.

Joe the Photog 07-27-2010 09:14 PM

I do agree that the photog did not help things by being snarky from the start. Personally, the times I have been approached, I have to remind myself NOT to be snarky though, so I understand wherehe is coming from. The LEO was wrong though from the get go. He basically started out by accussing the photog of selling photos to terrorists. Somewhere I wrote a Chase Gunoe type what to do post on if you're stopped by an LEO. I should dig that out.

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TJFarmer 07-27-2010 09:20 PM

Bad cropping and blurry.

Seriously, what is this doing on the photography board??

Where is the image that got rejected. I wanna see it.

coborn35 07-27-2010 09:30 PM

Oh HA HA. That was just sooo funny. Please tell it again. It involves photography, so obviously thats why its here.

crazytiger 07-27-2010 09:39 PM

This is just ridiculous.

sd9 07-27-2010 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TJFarmer (Post 118391)
Bad cropping and blurry.

Seriously, what is this doing on the photography board??

Where is the image that got rejected. I wanna see it.

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troy12n 07-28-2010 02:44 AM

That cop is an idiot. People like him are why so many people have such a bad opinion of cops. Unfortunately when there is violence against cops, they always hurt the good ones it seems

Chase55671 07-28-2010 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MNJRR (Post 118385)
Interesting, although the person in question wasn't being the most cooperative with the cop which i dont think helped the situation. Any time a cop approaches me I just out right answer his questions gotta try our best to stay on their good side and they can't arrest you if you're not doing anything illegal.

I'm sure the whole situation could've been avoided if the photographer just simply state he was doing it for fun, but in my opinion, the photographer should have the right to keep information from a police officer, especially when the photographer is certain he/she is not violating any rules. From what I could tell, the photog was in a public location, doing a perfectly normal activity, and was in no way attempting to document a future territory act.

Officers always exceed their rights and think everything they dislike should be prohibited.

Chase

nikos1 07-28-2010 04:14 AM

Ughhhh.....this video makes me sick. At the same time glad that he videotaped the incident, hopefully the cop will be fired.
In some instances no matter how you handle the situation the cop will be a asshole, definitely seems like it is the case here. If the photog had said I was doing it as a hobby he would have probably had to deal with the same crap, the cops fixate on imaginary 911 laws when it comes to photography.

Freericks 07-28-2010 04:21 AM

This is an old video.

My personal opinion? It depicts two people both interacting poorly.

Joey Bowman 07-28-2010 05:19 AM

I stopped watching it after 10 seconds, I have no pity for the photographer.. Obviously filming and trying to make a scene. Being uncooperative with the cop.



Those are the kind of people that give ALL PHOTOGRAPHERS a bad name, not just those of you that like to photograph trains.

TJFarmer 07-28-2010 10:32 AM

In the outside world, emphasis on the word "outside". We have some rights. Go into someone's house, you play by their rules, or stay the hell out.

Just as if you would go into a friends house, and start taking pictures of his valuables. He will want to know why. Get smart with him, and he just might toss you out the upstairs window. One thing will be guaranteed, you won't be receiving another invite to visit.

Photographer was a jackass!

TJFarmer

troy12n 07-28-2010 11:33 AM

You guys completely missed the point...

Cinderpath 07-28-2010 02:37 PM

TJ- the photographer was not in somebody's "House", and this is an inept analogy. He is in a public place, end of story, and last time I checked, we live in a free country, and the 1st amendment still applies.

That being said, I have to agree with you: the photographer is a total wanker extrodinare, and the situation could have been handled much nicer, more professional, and is the reason why cops don't like a lot of people. Unfortunately, like it or not, douche bags are also protected under the 1st......

troy12n 07-28-2010 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinderpath (Post 118445)
TJ- the photographer was not in somebody's "House", and this is an inept analogy. He is in a public place, end of story, and last time I checked, we live in a free country, and the 1st amendment still applies.

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THIS...

Cops need to be reminded sometimes that their job is to protect and serve. They are employees of the goverment, paid for by it's citizens who pay their salaries.

Their job is not to enforce laws which dont exist. And he dont work for the FBI or homeland security. Accusing someone of something like terrorism should not be taken lightly, and he should have been disciplined, but knowing how the government works, he likely got promoted.

Quote:

That being said, I have to agree with you: the photographer is a total wanker extrodinare, and the situation could have been handled much nicer, more professional, and is the reason why cops don't like a lot of people. Unfortunately, like it or not, douche bags are also protected under the 1st......
Absolutely correct, but he was doing it to prove his point, which he did a pretty good job of doing. This cop is an idiot and he bit HOOK, LINE and SINKER!

TJFarmer 07-28-2010 08:27 PM

Cinderpath, I totally disagree.

Consider that the Train Station is a sports arena. Do your first admendment rights apply in a sports area when you are doing something that would be considered disruptive?

The answer to that is........"NO". You will be asked to leave, possibly escorted out. If you do not leave freely, you leave in cuffs. It's as simple as that.

What you do in your own house is your business, but when you take it into a public building, you play by societies rules.

Don't complicate simple matters. If this photog were on the side of a road, then it's an entirely different "ballgame".

TJFarmer

LSRC Railfan 07-28-2010 08:33 PM

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What you do in your own house is your business, but when you take it into a public building, you play by societies rules.
Yeah, but the rules say that photography IS permitted. That being said, that photographer is just a tool.

Heymon 07-28-2010 09:03 PM

Those of you who blame the photog for this are off base. Yeah, he had a bit of an attitude, but that is not against the law (the officer had an attitude too) and it also is not apparently against the law to take photos where he was taking them. Thus, the ONLY blame here is on the cop.

The cop is allowed to ask him questions, and the guy can answer or not. Without probable cause that the guy is committing a crime, the cop is out of ammo, so to speak. The first thing the cop said was that the guy was not allowed to take photos, which is untrue per his sources. I can understand the cop wanting to know what was going on, but he can't be a bully.

Any of you guys that are excusing the cop's behavior are writing yourselves a new set of rules to live by. Rolling over when your rights are being undermined isn't going to help. I do a lot of photography in public places for work (I investigate traffic accidents) and get queried often. I am always polite with the first response, but sometimes that is not enough. Since I know my rights, I have no problem telling officers to respect them.

A person can be a jerk and take photos, but there is no violation of law to do so. A cop can be a jerk and attempt to detain you, but there is a violation of rights if there is no probable cause. Don't trade your freedom so easily for security, especially in the case where the "threat" is largely manufactured. Anyone think Al Qaeda would be taking photos out in the open if they were trying to plot something? Of course not, they would use hidden cameras. A little common sense from law enforcement goes a long way.

Heymon

troy12n 07-28-2010 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Heymon (Post 118478)
A little common sense from law enforcement goes a long way.

Unfortunately this is lacking very much these days, especially among law enforcement. They think they are gods post-911.

JRMDC 07-28-2010 09:08 PM

You make many good points, Heymon.

Joey Bowman 07-28-2010 09:38 PM

I by no means think that it is okay or excusable for every cop to be like that, but when some one blatantly goes out doing what the creator of the video and his countless similar video does is plain stupid. Reminds me a lot of the people at PETA that really go too far when protesting and makes me think less of their cause.


If we feel or even know that a cop or person of authority is in the wrong there is a proper time and place to question it and it is not while that person is questioning you. If you know or feel that you are right contact their supervisors, get local media involved, even hire a lawyer, but arguing with the cop isn't the way to solve problems.

nikos1 07-28-2010 10:02 PM

I dont see how the guy was argumentative, he was just asserting his rights when the officer was making up imaginary laws. What was he supposed to say? "Sorry occifer, I will never take pictures on public property where it is permitted by the laws and rules again, dont arrest me plz"

sd9 07-28-2010 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TJFarmer (Post 118473)
Cinderpath, I totally disagree.

Consider that the Train Station is a sports arena. Do your first admendment rights apply in a sports area when you are doing something that would be considered disruptive?

The answer to that is........"NO". You will be asked to leave, possibly escorted out. If you do not leave freely, you leave in cuffs. It's as simple as that.

What you do in your own house is your business, but when you take it into a public building, you play by societies rules.

Don't complicate simple matters. If this photog were on the side of a road, then it's an entirely different "ballgame".

TJFarmer

Train stations are NOT Sports arenas, ones private ones not, my tax dollar supports the Train station not the sports arena.
Apparently you don't have a clue, or do you just like to see people reply to your stupid comments?

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