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bigbassloyd 06-26-2010 03:44 PM

What's an acceptable timeframe to submit this shot?
 
Chase and I were foaming in the gorge last night, and we both captured a shot of a similar scene. His was photographed at 947 pm, and mine at 1113 pm. How long should I wait until I give mine a go in the queue?

Chase's shot:
[photoid=329447]

Mine:

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...oonbridge2.jpg

Thanks for the input!

Loyd L.

Carl Becker 06-26-2010 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 116694)
How long should I wait until I give mine a go in the queue?

Until the day comes that Chase removes his shot. :oops:

IMO, these are a little too similar to both be in the DB (at a glance, I can't tell them apart). The good news is that both of you got great shots to fall back on. :)

~Carl Becker

troy12n 06-26-2010 04:58 PM

If you didnt post this, and waited a week, I would say you would get it in in an instant, by posting this, you brought attention to it, and may have to wait longer. Believe it or not, I actually like Chase's shot, he got lower and I like that big rock in the foreground. How cold was that water?

asis80 06-26-2010 04:58 PM

I'm not liking Chases' shot what-so-ever. Lots of hot pixels. Chase, are there really red dots on those rocks?

Maybe a few days from now Loyd, hope it makes it in as I'm liking yours A LOT!

Ben

Freericks 06-26-2010 05:08 PM

I would wait about a month...

I had a very similar thing happen to me and did not realize it until my image was in the data base already. I had taken a handheld night shot of Grand Central Terminal on a NYC visit.

Week or so after I posted it, I noticed that someone else had posted almost the exact duplicate shot in the data base a few days before mine. Weird thing was that they shot theirs after me, but posted it before me.

Anyway... I believe a good shot is a good shot, and with hundreds of thousands of images in the DB the issue of similar shots from different photogs is not an issue (personally). Just give yourself some separation.

milwman 06-26-2010 05:23 PM

I would have him link to yours and just put yours in ficker for now.

crazytiger 06-26-2010 06:26 PM

I like yours better. Wait two weeks or so. And you'll definitely be fine by six weeks.

troy12n 06-26-2010 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asis80 (Post 116698)
I'm not liking Chases' shot what-so-ever. Lots of hot pixels. Chase, are there really red dots on those rocks?

I'm not seeing that

Chase55671 06-26-2010 07:16 PM

Loyd, I think our compositions might be just different enough and there is certainly a difference in exposure as yours was 100% moon lit while mine wasn't 100%.

I'd probably wait a few weeks since you made this post..

Chase

Walter S 06-26-2010 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asis80 (Post 116698)
I'm not liking Chases' shot what-so-ever. Lots of hot pixels. Chase, are there really red dots on those rocks?

Maybe a few days from now Loyd, hope it makes it in as I'm liking yours A LOT!

Ben

The hot pixels are just a product of the long exposure. The just stand out a little more on the rocks. Exposure has probably been tweaked just a bit in RAW making them a bit worse. No biggie.

Both are great shots!

bigbassloyd 06-26-2010 08:28 PM

Thanks to everyone who's replied! I wanted to get a feel for a length of time to wait. I'm sure a few of your have rolled your eyes when a bunch of the same looking shots get uploaded at once, and I didn't want to be that person. I'm in no hurry to upload.

Loyd L.

Chase55671 06-26-2010 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walter S (Post 116706)
The hot pixels are just a product of the long exposure. The just stand out a little more on the rocks. Exposure has probably been tweaked just a bit in RAW making them a bit worse. No biggie.

Both are great shots!

Indeed. For those who are familiar with night photography understand how hot pixels play a big roll in an image when the exposure exceeds 10 minutes. It's not caused by a high ISO (image was shot at ISO 100), it's just an annoyance that to my knowledge has no solution.

I did tweak the exposure just a hair as well, enhancing those pixels. Honestly though, I don't find the pixels to be a major distraction.

Chase

troy12n 06-26-2010 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 116707)
Thanks to everyone who's replied! I wanted to get a feel for a length of time to wait. I'm sure a few of your have rolled your eyes when a bunch of the same looking shots get uploaded at once, and I didn't want to be that person. I'm in no hurry to upload.

You learned a valuable lesson, next time you take someone railfanning with you, BEAT THEM HOME!! :-D

bigbassloyd 06-26-2010 09:02 PM

Hahahaa!!! I dropped him at his room, so he had a 2 hour head start. No biggie, the thrill of acceptance goes away after a few days, but having this shot in the portfolio will be great for a lifetime.

Loyd L.

Joe the Photog 06-27-2010 12:42 AM

I don't get guys who sit in the dark on a rock for five hours in total darkness just to take a shot that almost looks like it was taken in day light.

LOL

Just kidding. Great shots, but I'm with whoever said they liked Chase's better because of the big rock.

milwman 06-27-2010 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe the Photog (Post 116713)
I don't get guys who sit in the dark on a rock for five hours in total darkness just to take a shot that almost looks like it was taken in day light.

He has a point rework the shot so its darker and put it in! Then it won't look like Chase's photo.

ottergoose 06-27-2010 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 116709)
You learned a valuable lesson, next time you take someone railfanning with you, BEAT THEM HOME!! :-D

... or try not to stand within 10 feet of them when they take their shot ;)

JimThias 06-27-2010 08:35 AM

There is a shit-ton of noise in the darker water area on the left side of Chase's shot. What's going on there?

Both are great versions of the same scene. I like Chase's a lot (aside from the noisy water), but the color in Loyd's is fantastic.

J. E. Landrum 06-27-2010 08:42 AM

You guys need to coordinate your uploads. We only need one and that is enough. Debate it at the time you are shooting it and upload accordingly please.

travsirocz 06-27-2010 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chase55671 (Post 116708)
Indeed. For those who are familiar with night photography understand how hot pixels play a big roll in an image when the exposure exceeds 10 minutes. It's not caused by a high ISO (image was shot at ISO 100), it's just an annoyance that to my knowledge has no solution.

I did tweak the exposure just a hair as well, enhancing those pixels. Honestly though, I don't find the pixels to be a major distraction.

Chase

One solution for Canon owners is to make sure your Long Exposure Custom Function is on.

travsirocz 06-27-2010 09:32 PM

I also agree about making it more night looking. Darken those shadows may help.

travsirocz 06-27-2010 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. E. Landrum (Post 116730)
You guys need to coordinate your uploads. We only need one and that is enough. Debate it at the time you are shooting it and upload accordingly please.

Why does it matter? Two different trains at two different times even though I would agree that since you both were there together that you might try to out match each others compositions.

JRMDC 06-27-2010 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travsirocz (Post 116750)
Why does it matter? Two different trains at two different times even though I would agree that since you both were there together that you might try to out match each others compositions.

Yes, technically they are two different trains, but since they are streak shots the differences in the two shots are even more minimal than usual. :)

bigbassloyd 06-27-2010 11:40 PM

I understand Eric's reasoning, but I personally think they are different enough for each to merit being in the database. I may fiddle with the shot some and try to "darken" it as well for RP if and when I try uploading. Of course there's another version of a different train I may try too, that doesn't look like a daylight shot... ;)

Thanks to all who've replied!

Loyd L.

coborn35 06-28-2010 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. E. Landrum (Post 116730)
You guys need to coordinate your uploads. We only need one and that is enough. Debate it at the time you are shooting it and upload accordingly please.

How about you follow your own guidelines once in awhile.

JimThias 06-28-2010 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J. E. Landrum (Post 116730)
You guys need to coordinate your uploads. We only need one and that is enough. Debate it at the time you are shooting it and upload accordingly please.

So does that mean we aren't going to see multiple shots of the same train in the same exact location from different photographers standing shoulder to shoulder any more? About time! http://bestsmileys.com/thumbs/7.gif

Oh, but wait...what if the guy who waited to submit has a better quality image than the one who got there first?

bigbassloyd 06-28-2010 12:51 AM

What if you're standing shoulder to knee?

Loyd L.

Chase55671 06-28-2010 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimThias (Post 116757)
Oh, but wait...what if the guy who waited to submit has a better quality image than the one who got there first?

If you were directing that towards me, Jim, I had permission from Loyd to submit my version. I slapped on my 10-22mm and did a low angle including the rock to show a different angle than Loyd, who had his 18-55mm on and had his tri-pod considerably elevated. So I didn't necessarily get their "first", I just submitted the version I had permission to upload. If I would've uploaded my version of what Loyd presented, he would've thrown my camera in the New River next time I'm down there. ;)

Two slightly different angles and two different lighting conditions as well.

Chase

JimThias 06-28-2010 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chase55671 (Post 116759)
If you were directing that towards me, Jim, I had permission from Loyd to submit my version.

Nope, not at all. Some older identical shots quickly came to mind that I was referencing...one in particular involving 1225 and a farm.

When I said "get there first," I meant the photo submitted to RP, not that actual photographer getting to the scene first. ;-)

Chase55671 06-28-2010 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimThias (Post 116760)
Nope, not at all. Some older identical shots quickly came to mind that I was referencing...one in particular involving 1225 and a farm.

When I said "get there first," I meant the photo submitted to RP, not that actual photographer getting to the scene first. ;-)

That's what I thought you originally meant, but wanted to clarify on my behalf you weren't implying otherwise. I didn't want you to think I was a photographer who only cared about myself and my photography, as I'm so often referred to as. :lol:

Chase

mark woody 06-28-2010 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 116758)
What if you're standing shoulder to knee?

Loyd L.

Loyd next time you push Chase into the water make sure his lens cap is on so he doesn't get a TO24.:lol::lol::lol:

bigbassloyd 06-28-2010 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark woody (Post 116762)
Loyd next time you push Chase into the water make sure his lens cap is on so he doesn't get a TO24.:lol::lol::lol:

I didn't have to push him, he found his way into the water enough on his own.

I made the comment to him about how dumb we were to be 100 foot out in the middle of a river with several thousand dollars worth of electronics.

Loyd L.

Joe the Photog 06-28-2010 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimThias (Post 116760)
Nope, not at all. Some older identical shots quickly came to mind that I was referencing...one in particular involving 1225 and a farm.

Nt to mention three (or was it four?) B&LE shots of the same train on the same day at the same spot.

asis80 06-28-2010 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chase55671 (Post 116761)
as I'm so often referred to as. :lol:

Chase

What was the reason in adding this to your statement Chase? Was there REALLY a need for it? Do you want someone to feel sorry for you? Statements like this bring attention to yourself, and that's why you get this "reference" you are talking about.

Ben

Chase55671 06-28-2010 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asis80 (Post 116765)
What was the reason in adding this to your statement Chase? Was there REALLY a need for it? Do you want someone to feel sorry for you? Statements like this bring attention to yourself, and that's why you get this "reference" you are talking about.

Ben

Ben, was it necessary for you to take the time out of your busy schedule to comment on my statement? You're certainly entitled to comment, but one needs to express valid points when commenting! Perhaps you should review your signature and follow it!

For someone who said they were done dealing with me sure does voice their opinion quite often! Sort of reminds me of Daniel Valentine.. Must be that Pennsylvania air!

Chase

troy12n 06-28-2010 03:28 AM

You all are like a bunch of gossiping women about this, lol

asis80 06-28-2010 03:34 AM

Yup Chase, that's exactly it. I am SO glad you figured that out. As for your shot, it's still too grainy. Back on subject.....Loyd, you have a great shot. Go showcase it on some other accounts or whatever you may submit too, then give it a go here. Don't see why it wouldn't make it, Chases' did, yours should EASILY make it in.

Ben

mark woody 06-28-2010 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 116763)
I didn't have to push him, he found his way into the water enough on his own.

I made the comment to him about how dumb we were to be 100 foot out in the middle of a river with several thousand dollars worth of electronics.

Loyd L.

The shots are worth it.Well done.

coborn35 06-28-2010 04:34 AM

You guys want a baby bottle pop? You both have stuff against the other, clearly, so I would advise PM'ing from now on.

Mgoldman 06-28-2010 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 116694)
How long should I wait until I give mine a go in the queue? Loyd L.

I'd give it a few seconds...

[photoid=209868]
[photoid=209847]
[photoid=209842]
[photoid=209830]

This set stirred a debate on RP back in December and it seemed most
favored duplicate images as long as they were not 100% identical.
[photoid=307794]
[photoid=309350]
[photoid=307827]
[photoid=307847]

I imagine we have not seen every Carland nor classic car with #765 yet!

The only thing I can say for sure, Loyd, is tonight is not a good night as a derailed bus just got accepted.

/Mitch


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