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troy12n 04-28-2017 03:07 AM

Does this have any merit?
 
Any merit to this?

Here's another one: I know the train is on the far left of the screen. Was hoping to capture the visual spectacle that this was in it's entirety...

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...45&key=2929736

bigbassloyd 04-28-2017 03:49 AM

Judging from what I couldn't do with it in photoshop, I think you overshot the limits of that 40d. I owned and used one for a couple years, and it would simply choke when it came to highly dynamic scenes. Perhaps if the original was previewed, I could give some advice as I think it could possibly work. As it stands, the IQ is pretty bad; it's noisy, slightly blurry, and the contrast seems way off.

Loyd L.

JimThias 04-28-2017 02:18 PM

It's got that really unappealing blue haze look to it. Keep it for your private collection.

troy12n 04-28-2017 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JimThias (Post 191118)
It's got that really unappealing blue haze look to it. Keep it for your private collection.

Yeah, that's fixable, but what Loyd said about the graininess is true.

troy12n 04-28-2017 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 191112)
Judging from what I couldn't do with it in photoshop, I think you overshot the limits of that 40d. I owned and used one for a couple years, and it would simply choke when it came to highly dynamic scenes. Perhaps if the original was previewed, I could give some advice as I think it could possibly work. As it stands, the IQ is pretty bad; it's noisy, slightly blurry, and the contrast seems way off.

Loyd L.

My "state of the art, 10 years ago" equipment is really shows it's age under conditions like this...

I was shooting with a 100-400L on a tripod, focus seemed ok in the raw's. But that noise...

40d was never a good high ISO camera, I think I shot it at ISO640, which is a stretch for that body

I wanted something different, gambled and lost... and now regret that decision

I've got several others with just the 611, closer, with no Amtrak i'm going to play with. I wanted to give this one a shot first

bigbassloyd 04-29-2017 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 191124)

I was shooting with a 100-400L on a tripod, focus seemed ok in the raw's. But that noise...

I've never used my 150-600 on a tripod for train stuff, the FF made me a bit lazy when you can simply crank the iso to stupid levels if need be.

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40d was never a good high ISO camera, I think I shot it at ISO640, which is a stretch for that body
It was a letdown north of iso400. It didn't last long in night duty for me, but the color depth was quite nice on the sunny days.

Loyd L.

troy12n 04-30-2017 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 191126)
It was a letdown north of iso400. It didn't last long in night duty for me, but the color depth was quite nice on the sunny days.

Yeah, it's still I think a very good body if you can keep it at ISO 200 (sunny days). Focus system is superior to my other body (5d mk 1), which really the only focus point worth a shit is center point.

I was actually looking at camera bodies the other day, but considering how infrequently I get to go out and shoot anymore, it really is not a sound financial decision to buy something new(er). Even used 5d mk 3 or 7d mk 2 are pretty pricy

bigbassloyd 04-30-2017 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 191128)
Focus system is superior to my other body (5d mk 1), which really the only focus point worth a shit is center point.

People use other focus points besides the center? I learned CPF from the beginning, and haven't strayed. I may look a little funny moving the camera around during shooting, but I only want myself to blame when the focus is screwed up. 6d is a rockstar with me driving the center focus :D.

Loyd L.

troy12n 04-30-2017 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 191129)
People use other focus points besides the center? I learned CPF from the beginning, and haven't strayed. I may look a little funny moving the camera around during shooting, but I only want myself to blame when the focus is screwed up. 6d is a rockstar with me driving the center focus :D.

Loyd L.

All i'm saying is that it's really nice to compose a shot on a tripod, wait for the object to hit that AF point and hit shoot, and have it reliably in focus.

ESPECIALLY on a crop frame body (like the 40d). My progression of digital camera bodies went from Digital Rebel XTi to 40d. When I got the 5d, and it was actually a step backwards in this regard, I blew a lot of shots learning (re-learning) to rely on just the CF AF spot. It was a regression in features to me, although I lives with it because image quality was so superior, and it was full frame.

I have indeed gone down the rabbit hole of looking for a new body and can get a used 6d for a little over a grand.

My options are 6d, 5d3, 1d4. With the 6d being the cheapest by a considerable margin...

bigbassloyd 05-01-2017 11:47 AM

I have nothing bad to say about the 6d. Sure, it's not fancy or loaded down with all the bells and whistles and such, but it sure makes a pretty stack of 1s and 0s.

Loyd L.

JimThias 05-03-2017 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 191129)
People use other focus points besides the center? I learned CPF from the beginning, and haven't strayed. I may look a little funny moving the camera around during shooting, but I only want myself to blame when the focus is screwed up.

I'm the same way, Loyd. However, if I have my camera on a tripod, I'll move the single point around the frame until I find the exact spot I want to focus on. But for hand held, it's always the center point and "aim, focus, compose" prior to taking the shot.

troy12n 05-19-2017 10:59 PM

Same Q for this shot

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...81&key=3025758

bigbassloyd 05-20-2017 12:11 AM

Me thinks you went a little heavy handed when you lightened up the side of the train. Coupled with the truer to life nose, it just looks bad.

Loyd L.

Pkwlsn 05-20-2017 03:51 AM

The blacks in the nose are totally crushed. It looks a little weird when paired with the unnaturally light side of the engine. The contrast is kind of all over the place too. The tree, for example, has a stark edge running right through the outer branches where some kind of local adjustment ended. I think you could end up with something nice with a little more careful processing though.

coborn35 05-22-2017 03:10 AM

Waaaay to much use of the highlight tool. Look at the drivers.

troy12n 06-09-2017 02:11 PM

Bump, one more:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...45&key=2929736

I know, not typical composition... but that smoke

KevinM 06-09-2017 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 191477)
Bump, one more:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...45&key=2929736

I know, not typical composition... but that smoke

Hi Troy,

As a die-hard steam addict, I see what you are going for, but the RP Gods are just not seeing the wafting cloud of smoke as a right-side element. Do you have any frames after the locomotive came through the crossing? That might be an alright shot. I am not seeing the IQ issues right now, but I would never use my work laptop to judge photo IQ.

With regard to camera bodies, if you've had it with the 40D, you might ask around and see if anyone here or in your circle of amigos has an older body that they are willing to part with. The 40D is getting pretty long in the tooth. I gave away all of my old Nikon bodies from that era to family members a couple of years back. The oldest thing I have now is a D7000 crop body and from an ISO standpoint, it probably runs circles around the 40D. My point is that even something 5 years old will be better for you than the 40D, and it should not cost a king's ransom. If you buy it from a friend, you'll at least know how it was treated. If you buy on Craig's List, you'd be rolling the dice. Just to give you an idea how much the value of camera bodies falls off, I bought my D4 for $6,000 in 2013....4 years ago. I had a major camera store offer me $1,700 for it a year ago. It's worth far more than that to me. It's still a kick-ass camera. I would think you could find a 7D that might be a huge improvement for a lot less than a 5D3.

I know folks always stress the value of good glass, but if you shoot in a variety of conditions like I do, the body is important too.

bigbassloyd 06-09-2017 05:27 PM

The wind got ya Troy. The composition is a bit awkward overall because of the direction the exhaust is going. How did you like the 6d?

Loyd L.

troy12n 06-09-2017 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 191480)
The wind got ya Troy. The composition is a bit awkward overall because of the direction the exhaust is going. How did you like the 6d?

I wish I had some time to shoot with it before I left. I literally got it 4 days before leaving. I'm not happy with how I exposed my shots early on. But man, the ones I nailed the exposure on, I like what I see. Some of the controls being slightly different took a little getting used to as well.

I ended up using the 40d some as well when the sun was out.

Do you by chance shoot in AI Focus or AI Servo? I was so used to my old bodies, especially the 5d being poor in servo mode, I left it in AI Focus and set the new camera up this way, didn't even try servo.

troy12n 06-09-2017 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinM (Post 191479)
Hi Troy,

As a die-hard steam addict, I see what you are going for, but the RP Gods are just not seeing the wafting cloud of smoke as a right-side element. Do you have any frames after the locomotive came through the crossing? That might be an alright shot.

I do, I just really liked the effect the smoke plume had in this shot and wanted to see if it would get by. I also made some mistakes switching from vertical to horizontal while shooting this scene. I admittedly made some poor decisions shooting this one, and don't have as many "good" frames of the best run it had in good light

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I am not seeing the IQ issues right now, but I would never use my work laptop to judge photo IQ.

With regard to camera bodies, if you've had it with the 40D, you might ask around and see if anyone here or in your circle of amigos has an older body that they are willing to part with. The 40D is getting pretty long in the tooth. I gave away all of my old Nikon bodies from that era to family members a couple of years back. The oldest thing I have now is a D7000 crop body and from an ISO standpoint, it probably runs circles around the 40D. My point is that even something 5 years old will be better for you than the 40D, and it should not cost a king's ransom. If you buy it from a friend, you'll at least know how it was treated. If you buy on Craig's List, you'd be rolling the dice. Just to give you an idea how much the value of camera bodies falls off, I bought my D4 for $6,000 in 2013....4 years ago. I had a major camera store offer me $1,700 for it a year ago. It's worth far more than that to me. It's still a kick-ass camera. I would think you could find a 7D that might be a huge improvement for a lot less than a 5D3.
Since I started this thread back in April, I have bought a used (Canon refurb) 6d, and that's what this shot was taken on. So the IQ issues referenced earlier are not really valid.

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I know folks always stress the value of good glass, but if you shoot in a variety of conditions like I do, the body is important too.
Yep, I was definitely at a point where my glass was better than the body I was shooting on and it was hampering me.

bigbassloyd 06-09-2017 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 191481)
Do you by chance shoot in AI Focus or AI Servo? I was so used to my old bodies, especially the 5d being poor in servo mode, I left it in AI Focus and set the new camera up this way, didn't even try servo.

I'm a one shot focus kinda guy. Never fiddled with any other setting.

Loyd L.

ShortlinesUSA 06-09-2017 07:18 PM

I think it could get in with a tighter crop. I would try pulling the left and right margins in a bit, and you could probably even lose a little of the sky. I don't think you'd lose what you're going for. It is an impressive scene, for certain, especially with the "clean stack" principles some of the operators profess these days.


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Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 191477)
Bump, one more:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...45&key=2929736

I know, not typical composition... but that smoke


KevinM 06-09-2017 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 191482)
Since I started this thread back in April, I have bought a used (Canon refurb) 6d, and that's what this shot was taken on. So the IQ issues referenced earlier are not really valid.

I'm not a Canon guy, but from what I hear, you should really like the 6D. From an IQ standpoint, it should be light-years ahead of the 40D. Congrats on the upgrade. Now, get your butt out there and shoot!! :-D

JimThias 06-09-2017 07:40 PM

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I know you really like all that sky and smoke, but in my eyes this scene needs a tighter crop, and that fence was just begging to be a lead-in line from the bottom right corner of the frame.

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troy12n 06-09-2017 10:19 PM

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I have this in my back pocket... completely unedited or cropped

I just really liked it as-submitted, despite the "non-standard for railpictures" composition

http://forums.railpictures.net/attac...1&d=1497046758

miningcamper1 06-09-2017 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 191111)

Smoky delight!
Better than lots of pics that get accepted. I'm happy to save it.

The other one suffers from high sun and thin clouds IMO.

JimThias 06-10-2017 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 191488)
I have this in my back pocket... completely unedited or cropped

I just really liked it as-submitted, despite the "non-standard for railpictures" composition

That looks pretty good. The train placement works better for my eyes. What doesn't work is the shiny thing (fence post?) in the bottom left. Totally distracting. Clone it out!

troy12n 06-10-2017 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JimThias (Post 191490)
That looks pretty good. The train placement works better for my eyes. What doesn't work is the shiny thing (fence post?) in the bottom left. Totally distracting. Clone it out!

Oh, no doubt, it's not a fencepost, it's someone who stuck their camera into my space...

They rejected my tighter edit for dimensions, so I guess I will give one of those other frames a shot...

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...42&key=1432053

JimThias 06-12-2017 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 191491)
Oh, no doubt, it's not a fencepost, it's someone who stuck their camera into my space...


You need to work on your elbow-throwing technique. :lol:

Cut that one down to 3:2 and you may get it in.


Attachment 9447

bigbassloyd 06-12-2017 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 191491)
it's someone who stuck their camera into my space...

I had to politely, then impolitely ask a guy to move his arm during the sts-135 launch in 2011. If you think the 611 photo lines were rough, try shooting from the Max Brewer Bridge with 750,000 of your closet friends.

Loyd L.

troy12n 06-12-2017 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JimThias (Post 191502)
You need to work on your elbow-throwing technique. :lol:

I will try to post it later tonight when I get home, but one of my last shots for the weekend was at Christiansburg by the depot, I was set up on the little bridge on the West/North side of the tracks, some asshole comes out of nowhere and his big bald head is right in front my my camera as I was getting my shot. I am not sure if I can merge 2 frames to make it work or not, but I was pissed.

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Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 191507)
I had to politely, then impolitely ask a guy to move his arm during the sts-135 launch in 2011. If you think the 611 photo lines were rough, try shooting from the Max Brewer Bridge with 750,000 of your closet friends.

I bet. When I was little my family would camp out on the side of the Bananna and Indian river and watch the shuttle launches. It was a thing. I was there for STS-2, the 2nd ever shuttle launch!

ShortlinesUSA 06-13-2017 07:21 PM

The coolest thing about those shuttle launches from Titusville was when the sound hit you, well after it left the pad and the sky lit up. I saw many during my years at Embry Riddle, and actually never saw a day launch. We only went down for the night launches.

bigbassloyd 06-13-2017 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ShortlinesUSA (Post 191547)
The coolest thing about those shuttle launches from Titusville was when the sound hit you, well after it left the pad and the sky lit up. I saw many during my years at Embry Riddle, and actually never saw a day launch. We only went down for the night launches.

It was one of most amazing things I've experienced. Atlantis lifted with a relatively low cloud ceiling, so I only saw the shuttle for a handful of seconds, but the sound when it arrived to my location was unbelievable.

Loyd L.

John West 06-13-2017 09:13 PM

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How about something like this. My first reaction was what the heck was the fireman doing to the poor engine, that is a LOT of smoke.

bigbassloyd 06-13-2017 11:43 PM

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The crew does it all for show.

This shot was taken at Shawsville, where a large crowd is always in position in several spots on the 1.4 percent grade.

http://forums.railpictures.net/attac...1&d=1497396967

This one was taken a half mile East of Shawsville, on the same 1.4 percent grade, but in a spot where only my buddy and I were at.

http://forums.railpictures.net/attac...1&d=1497397195

And that old girl was talking loud through the cut!

Loyd L.

troy12n 06-14-2017 03:08 AM

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I processed this other frame 2 ways, thoughts?

There are aspects of both that I like. My original intention was to show as much of the "scene" as possible, including the road and fence, which is lost for the most part with the horizontal crop

miningcamper1 06-14-2017 06:50 AM

Landscape good, vertical too centered.

bigbassloyd 06-14-2017 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by miningcamper1 (Post 191552)
Landscape good, vertical too centered.

I agree as well

Loyd L.

troy12n 06-14-2017 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by miningcamper1 (Post 191552)
Landscape good, vertical too centered.

Yeah, I cropped the landscape one so the locomotive headlight is almost at the lower right rule of thirds junction (a little low), the other one is not, at all, I get that


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