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Daniel MINACA 11-14-2017 03:37 PM

PAQ another time
 
Hi all,

Another time this picture have been rejected for PAQ reason, I have however explained that this boogie is unique and this picture have never been seen on RPN... and is a rare existing picture of this particular trains side !
But PAQ, this is to bad because it is really an interesting subject of French rail specificity and now retired high speed postal trains.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...02&key=1592535

What's your opinion ?

KevinM 11-14-2017 09:51 PM

Hi Daniel,

This is a tough call. I understand that there may be significance to the equipment depicted in this photo, and I understand that there have been lots of "rare view" or "rare angle" photos shown on RP in the past, but in order to get past the screeners, a "technical image" like this one also has to LOOK INTERESTING. It has to be an attention-grabber. Unfortunately, in this case, unless someone knows this equipment and understands the significance of the image, it just looks like the end of an uncoupled baggage car. Now, if it were grossly damaged, such as might be the case after a violent collision, THAT would be an attention-grabber and might have gotten in. Having a pretty girl in a bikini, sitting on the coupler would not have hurt either. :lol:

Here's the deal.... RP isn't necessarily a public repository for technically significant images. It's an entertainment site and the screeners are looking for entertaining or view-grabbing images. If a technical image looks like a view-grabber, it gets in. If not, it gets the boot. In the 2-3 seconds the screener had to evaluate this one, he didn't see that kind of value in it.

RobJor 11-14-2017 10:48 PM

LOL, here is mine, I gave it a very low chance and I suspect you may have also, for obviously different reasons. Yours may do well in a different venue , mine I am not sure but may try the local art show I enter regularily. I would not have started a thread for mine except that your showed up so just put it out there for fun.

Bob

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...82&key=8515977

miningcamper1 11-15-2017 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel MINACA (Post 192708)

If it was Amtrak submitted by Matt Donnelly...probably accepted. Otherwise...

:evil:

Joe the Photog 11-15-2017 05:20 PM

That's an utterly boring shot. RP tries to get more viewers with the shots they accept. I can't imagine who would want to click on that. Legit rejection.

It's PAQ, by the way. Not PAC

Daniel MINACA 11-15-2017 08:24 PM

Thank you at all for comments... Hope next time that will be accepted !

@Joe: Yes it is PAQ :o, anyway, I don't think that this kind of picture don't interest nobody !
The proof is that every time that an high speed French postal related picture is published on RPN, few days after, the counter view is over 1000 !
The last one is front view of same trainset as rejected picture above: http://www.railpictures.net/photo/636885/

@miningcamper1: I agree with you, in fact is is not American picture...

Joe the Photog 11-15-2017 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel MINACA (Post 192724)
@Joe: Yes it is PAQ :o, anyway, I don't think that this kind of picture don't interest nobody !

I can only speak for myself and apparently the RP screener.

Daniel MINACA 11-16-2017 11:53 AM

Yes, it is not American ! We Agree.
So screeners (as usual) don't take the time to read comments/remarks to anderstand the interest for non American stuffs... But this picture is typically the example (as many other and not only mine) of lack of knowledge of what can be interesting elsewhere and for the "world" public "to get more viewers" as you said !
Sometimes I feel that it is contempt... for non American public and pictures :o

Mberry 11-16-2017 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel MINACA (Post 192724)
Thank you at all for comments... Hope next time that will be accepted !

@Joe: Yes it is PAQ :o, anyway, I don't think that this kind of picture don't interest nobody !
The proof is that every time that an high speed French postal related picture is published on RPN, few days after, the counter view is over 1000 !
The last one is front view of same trainset as rejected picture above: http://www.railpictures.net/photo/636885/

@miningcamper1: I agree with you, in fact is is not American picture...

The linked photo is of more interest visually than the rejection IMO.

Joe the Photog 11-16-2017 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel MINACA (Post 192726)
Yes, it is not American ! We Agree.
So screeners (as usual) don't take the time to read comments/remarks to anderstand the interest for non American stuffs...

Don't play the "it's not an American card. I see a lot of great foreign stuff on this site. as far as comments to screeners and captions, both are great tools for this site, but it's railPICTURES.net. The photography should speak for itself

Wendel Moran 11-16-2017 06:35 PM

Hmmm...
 
I found the rejected photo to be quite interesting, much more so than the pretty picture drone shots that seem to be all the rage.

Daniel MINACA 11-16-2017 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe the Photog (Post 192728)
Don't play the "it's not an American card. I see a lot of great foreign stuff on this site. as far as comments to screeners and captions, both are great tools for this site, but it's railPICTURES.net. The photography should speak for itself

I am unfortunately not the only one to make this statement ! Some of best photographer (I will not quote them) that I know here regret that...
Just other examples: Backlit or cloudy of European pictures are always rejected unlike the American where opinion is certainly better thinking, you find many many accepted every days...

The problem is that screeners opinion regarding a picture where "shooting technique compliance" match with RPN rules but picture subject is only matching with personal screeners tastes.

Voilą ! This was my hangover, I feel better now :wink:

Joe the Photog 11-16-2017 08:46 PM

So you're trying to tell me that screening photographs is subjective? Who knew?

miningcamper1 11-16-2017 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel MINACA (Post 192731)
I am unfortunately not the only one to make this statement ! Some of best photographer (I will not quote them) that I know here regret that...
Just other examples: Backlit or cloudy of European pictures are always rejected unlike the American where opinion is certainly better thinking, you find many many accepted every days...

The problem is that screeners opinion regarding a picture where "shooting technique compliance" match with RPN rules but picture subject is only matching with personal screeners tastes.

Voilą ! This was my hangover, I feel better now :wink:

Well, the site owners are a bit more inclusive than when the site was new- they didn't accept "foreign" at all, except for Canada.

miningcamper1 11-16-2017 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe the Photog (Post 192732)
So you're trying to tell me that screening photographs is subjective? Who knew?

For a prominent site, perhaps a bit too reflective of the owners' narrow personal preferences? :roll:

Daniel MINACA 11-17-2017 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by miningcamper1 (Post 192734)
For a prominent site, perhaps a bit too reflective of the owners' narrow personal preferences? :roll:

Right, exactly my opinion, I have already spoke about abusive rejection in this interesting old topic: http://forums.railpictures.net/showthread.php?t=17507
:roll:

bigbassloyd 11-17-2017 12:03 PM

I'd probably be more compassionate for the argument if the person making it didn't have several hundreds photos on here. :)

If there is American bias, I wish there wasn't. There's too many hot steamy turds that get accepted from this side of the pond.

Loyd L.

Decapod401 11-17-2017 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 192736)
I'd probably be more compassionate for the argument if the person making it didn't have several hundreds photos on here. :)

Loyd L.

I agree. If you have that many accepted photos here, you should have an idea of what will fly and what won't at RP. Feel free to push the boundaries with submissions, but don't complain about the rejections. My personal success rate is about 20% on "push the envelope" shots, but I don't recall ever complaining about a rejection since I figured out the RP formula. I sometimes think that the feelings of non-American bias comes from a more entitled set of expectations than the US contributors have.

SAR Connecta 11-18-2017 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Decapod401 (Post 192738)
I agree. If you have that many accepted photos here, you should have an idea of what will fly and what won't at RP. Feel free to push the boundaries with submissions, but don't complain about the rejections. My personal success rate is about 20% on "push the envelope" shots, but I don't recall ever complaining about a rejection since I figured out the RP formula. I sometimes think that the feelings of non-American bias comes from a more entitled set of expectations than the US contributors have.

Agreed, well said. The bias ticket is way overplayed here too and carries no merit with me being a South African. I see the rejected photo as leaning right as well?

miningcamper1 11-18-2017 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SAR Connecta (Post 192740)
Agreed, well said. The bias ticket is way overplayed here too and carries no merit with me being a South African. I see the rejected photo as leaning right as well?

Whether bias is overplayed is debatable, since a segment of USA railfans simply does not like anything "foreign". Years ago, I was one of them. Same with trolleys.
It never got to the point of me firing off an angry letter to David P. Morgan, though! Trains must have received a lot of those. :lol:

JimThias 11-19-2017 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobJor (Post 192721)
LOL, here is mine, I gave it a very low chance and I suspect you may have also, for obviously different reasons. Yours may do well in a different venue , mine I am not sure but may try the local art show I enter regularily. I would not have started a thread for mine except that your showed up so just put it out there for fun.

Bob

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...82&key=8515977

Quote:

Remarks: A prairie flower pops up along the Metra ROW as an outbound Milwaukee North District train passes.
Whoa...that's one fast-poppin' prairie flower! ;-)

Daniel MINACA 11-27-2017 11:06 AM

Just to close discussion, examples:

Not to dark : http://www.railpictures.net/photo/639093/

To dark: http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...17&key=4125545

:lol:

RobJor 11-27-2017 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel MINACA (Post 192813)
Just to close discussion, examples:

Not to dark : http://www.railpictures.net/photo/639093/

To dark: http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...17&key=4125545

:lol:


Too dark, My least favorite rejection. I don't think that CP train photo is very good as the train fades into a light blob. I also think yours if fine, I don't need every station shot to be blasted out in bright lights.

CP trains - There are so many of these from so many years I would think a high standard vs a low one would be in order.


I admit to being a bad person only submitting this one knowing it would be rejected after I saw your post. Now if only had a set of those lights, I could light it up like a.........

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...15&key=9821984


Bob


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