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NS Brick 11-12-2009 11:28 PM

Copyright Question
 
Would posting of other peoples copyrighted photos on someones personal yahoogroup without the permission of the photog be considered copyright infringement? Someone has been taking photos off RP and posting them on their personal group. I question this because one of mine showed up on it and I didn't give permission.

ottergoose 11-12-2009 11:58 PM

The short answer is yes - if you didn't give them permission, you should be able to ask them to remove the image from the group, and they should comply.

NS Brick 11-13-2009 12:14 AM

I thought so. He's got a lot of other peoples photos on there too. I might talk to lawyer about the issue. See if it's worth pursuing. Thanks

troy12n 11-13-2009 12:33 AM

You have to think about this from a logical standpoint.

If it is used in a non-commercial way, and you are credited, to the letter of the law it is not "legal", but is it worth persuing?

What is the context of the use? What harm is this person doing?

If it is for commercial, absolutely persue it.

Also, you dont even have to get a lawyer. Contact Yahoo directly, give them a link to your infringing stuff, and tell them you with them to cease and decist using it. They will have the material pulled immediately without question.

http://info.yahoo.com/copyright/us/details.html

How far you want to take it may be a matter of ego more than anything if this is a non-commercial matter.

ottergoose 11-13-2009 03:13 AM

Yeah... no point in contacting a lawyer unless they're making money off of it and you registered your work with the copyright office. If you registered your work, you could pursue financial compensation, otherwise the best you can do is tell them to remove it.

lock4244 11-13-2009 03:41 AM

Obsessively linking to your pictures and those of others on RP to point out their many perceived flaws in an effort to compensate for some obvious personal shortcomings is not an infringement of copyright laws. It's just really, really lame.

Chase55671 11-13-2009 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lock4244 (Post 103115)
Obsessively linking to your pictures and those of others on RP to point out their many perceived flaws in an effort to compensate for some obvious personal shortcomings is not an infringement of copyright laws. It's just really, really lame.

:lol:

I may contact Yahoo! if he uploads another one of my photos and submits them to the homepage.

Chase

lock4244 11-13-2009 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chase55671 (Post 103116)
:lol:

I may contact Yahoo! if he uploads another one of my photos and submits them to the homepage.

Chase

Why bother? Just be appreciative the two or three extra views :roll:

Joe the Photog 11-13-2009 04:14 AM

This is about the rat?

Joe the Photog 11-13-2009 04:23 AM

So tis brick just happens to join today and his first question is about the rat? That dog don't hunt.

BarrySr 11-13-2009 05:48 AM

Hmmmmm....veeeeeeewy intewesting.

Chase55671 11-13-2009 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe the Photog (Post 103122)
So tis brick just happens to join today and his first question is about the rat? That dog don't hunt.

Good eye, Joe! That idea didn't even cross my mind!

Chase

Ween 11-13-2009 01:55 PM

Contacting Yahoo! is the way to go. They take copyright infringement on their Groups very seriously, especially when it comes to unauthorized use of photos. And what The Rat is doing is in definite violation of Yahoo!'s terms and agreements, and if someone pursues it, don't be surprised if they shut his Group down. It's happened before...

travsirocz 11-13-2009 01:58 PM

All good things will have their nay sayers.

JimThias 11-13-2009 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ween (Post 103135)
Contacting Yahoo! is the way to go. They take copyright infringement on their Groups very seriously, especially when it comes to unauthorized use of photos.

Not to mention the slander he's been doing about me lately. I wouldn't know anything about it except I have some friends who have brought it to my attention, basically with a "what's this all about?" perspective. Really, I don't know what it's all about. Some odd fascination and hard on he has for me, I guess. NTTAWWT.

Ween 11-13-2009 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimThias (Post 103138)
Not to mention the slander he's been doing about me lately. I wouldn't know anything about it except I have some friends who have brought it to my attention, basically with a "what's this all about?" perspective. Really, I don't know what it's all about. Some odd fascination and hard on he has for me, I guess. NTTAWWT.

Not sure Yahoo! can do much about the slander, but unauthorized use of photos is one way Yahoo! Groups disappear overnight and without warning.

JimThias 11-13-2009 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ween (Post 103139)
Not sure Yahoo! can do much about the slander, but unauthorized use of photos is one way Yahoo! Groups disappear overnight and without warning.

Apparently they can. I was sent a link from a friend to make a complaint about it, but I didn't bother to follow through with it. It was too much of a hassle to sign into yahoo, set up an acct or whatever. Not worth my time.

travsirocz 11-13-2009 03:14 PM

A guy having a little fun doesn't bother me. I enjoy reading his drivel and for what is worth, lately he has been giving me a few views on a handful of photos. Just one more place to have my photos displayed.

asis80 11-13-2009 03:31 PM

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/grou...th/message/699


The buttmuncher has been lurking around in the forums too. What I really love though, is that he keeps saying that my latest stuff only was accepted (including my POTW) because I'm an elite member. If he has this "obsession" of what everyone posts on RP and writes on the forums here, he would know that I'm not an elite member. It's simple.....I'm just waaaaaaaaaaaay better than him ;-)

Ben

D.Massey 11-13-2009 05:07 PM

So by providing a link to someoneís picture you are violating the copyright of that picture.? I not trying to defend anyone just curious how that works.

Doyle Massey


Quote:

Originally Posted by Ween (Post 103135)
Contacting Yahoo! is the way to go. They take copyright infringement on their Groups very seriously, especially when it comes to unauthorized use of photos. And what The Rat is doing is in definite violation of Yahoo!'s terms and agreements, and if someone pursues it, don't be surprised if they shut his Group down. It's happened before...


asis80 11-13-2009 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D.Massey (Post 103149)
So by providing a link to someoneís picture you are violating the copyright of that picture.? I not trying to defend anyone just curious how that works.

Doyle Massey

He doesn't post links anymore, he's posting an actual thumbnail, which in fact IS a photo of our work. He's not claiming they are of his own (and I already know what's going to come out of his mouth in reply to that, something like "I wouldn't claim they are my own even with a gun to my head"), but he didn't ask our permission.

Ben

And I know the Rat is LOVING this conversation, he feeds off of it.

Joe the Photog 11-13-2009 05:36 PM

13 Members. How many of those are RP guys? One of them, at least, is him. So he's got 12 members of his YahooGroup and you guys still can't let it go.

Technically, what he's doing is a copyright violation. He's taking the image from the place where the owner of the copyright took it and putting it on his page. I've had people do that in the past with a shot or two of mine and a quick e-mail asking them to take it down and replace it with a link normally works. In those cases, they may not realize they've done anything wrong. Chances are a nice e-mail to this loser won't work, especially since the moron is "aware" of this thread.

JimThias 11-13-2009 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asis80 (Post 103146)

Interesting...

Quote:

The message you requested is temporarily unavailable because this group has exceeded its download limit. Please try again later.

JimThias 11-13-2009 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe the Photog (Post 103157)
Chances are a nice e-mail to this loser won't work, especially since the moron is "aware" of this thread.

Actually, the correct term is "sexless coward."

asis80 11-13-2009 05:45 PM

And he has blocked pretty much everyone from contacting him, besides his "posse" of anti RP members.

Ben

D.Massey 11-13-2009 05:59 PM

So it’s not the link but the thumbnail that’s the copyright violation. That makes sense, is posting a thumbnail of someone else’s photo in Railpictures forum a copyright violation?

Doyle Massey

Quote:

Originally Posted by asis80 (Post 103151)
He doesn't post links anymore, he's posting an actual thumbnail, which in fact IS a photo of our work. He's not claiming they are of his own (and I already know what's going to come out of his mouth in reply to that, something like "I wouldn't claim they are my own even with a gun to my head"), but he didn't ask our permission.

Ben

And I know the Rat is LOVING this conversation, he feeds off of it.


JimThias 11-13-2009 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asis80 (Post 103161)
And he has blocked pretty much everyone from contacting him, besides his "posse" of anti RP members.

Ben

Of course, because he's too much of a coward when confronted by those he is talking sh*t about. And you can damn well bet he's going to run like a scared little school girl when any one of us confront him in person. Oh, I can't wait for the day...

asis80 11-13-2009 06:20 PM

Doyle, depends. Most of us are pretty civil to each other, MOST of us. So when we post a shot of someone elses we give the name of the photog and say something like "nice work, so and so". And when we do actually post a thumbnail, it automatically gives credit to the photog beneath it.



Ben

JimThias 11-13-2009 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D.Massey (Post 103162)
That makes sense, is posting a thumbnail of someone elseís photo in Railpictures forum a copyright violation?

That would be like asking if setting up a nativity scene in a church on Christmas is a violation of the seperation of church and state. :lol:

D.Massey 11-13-2009 07:03 PM

Jim Iím not sure Iím following you, if you need someoneís permission to use their image on a website or in a forum discussion, would that not be the same thing as using someoneís image in a discussion on railpictures forum. I may upload a picture to railpictures but I did not upload it to the discussion forum. I only ask this because I thought I understood copyright laws but maybe not so much.

Doyle Massey

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimThias (Post 103165)
That would be like asking if setting up a nativity scene in a church on Christmas is a violation of the seperation of church and state. :lol:


Ween 11-13-2009 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D.Massey (Post 103162)
So it’s not the link but the thumbnail that’s the copyright violation. That makes sense, is posting a thumbnail of someone else’s photo in Railpictures forum a copyright violation?

Doyle Massey

It's not a thumbnail. It's the full up picture, but Yahoo! Groups automatically downsizes when you upload a photo to be the Group's homepage photo. And that's what he's doing: he's posting other people's photos he lifted from RP on his Group's homepage to show as an example of the "sh*tty" work RP accepts. Last I checked, he was doing a daily update, a new photo every day.

One could make the argument that since these photos appear on the front page of his Group, he's using them to basically advertise his Group, a daily "check out the worst of what RP is accepting today". And while he's not making money off of the photos himself, Yahoo! is from the ad revenue. And since they're illegally posted there, Yahoo! isn't going to want to be responsible for a copyright violation.

If he happens to post enough people's photos illegally and those folks are motivated enough to let Yahoo! know...bye-bye Rat.

D.Massey 11-13-2009 07:16 PM

I think thatís what I didnít understand, because when you click on the thumbnail it brings you back to Railpictures. Thanks Ween

Doyle Massey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ween (Post 103168)
It's not a thumbnail. It's the full up picture, but Yahoo! Groups automatically downsizes when you upload a photo to be the Group's homepage photo.


JimThias 11-13-2009 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D.Massey (Post 103167)
Jim I’m not sure I’m following you, if you need someone’s permission to use their image on a website or in a forum discussion, would that not be the same thing as using someone’s image in a discussion on railpictures forum. I may upload a picture to railpictures but I did not upload it to the discussion forum. I only ask this because I thought I understood copyright laws but maybe not so much.

Doyle Massey

Sorry, Doyle...just joking with you. :-)

Since these RP forums are operated as part of the entire site where the pictures are hosted, I'm sure there are ZERO copyright issues with images being posted on the forum of the site that the images are hosted on.

Ween 11-13-2009 07:48 PM

Well, no need to contact Yahoo!...apparently this thread has frightened him enough to change the way he does business. Now he has one of his own photos on the homepage and this text:
Quote:

This group is strictly informational
Hmmm...why would he post that little disclaimer?

There's really only one word that describes this clown: Fail

Glad to see his tough guy act only goes so far before he winces away in fear...but we already knew that was a character trait when he didn't show up in Owosso this summer for fear of running into Jim Thias.

crazytiger 11-13-2009 07:49 PM

It seems y'all have gathered information from somewhere I didn't know about, like the guy's name, that he knows about this thread and all the copied pics.

travsirocz 11-13-2009 08:00 PM

His little online playpen is now private. You guys suck. I really did enjoy his craziness. It was very comical and it made me laugh in these post 9/11 tough times.

Darryl Rule 11-13-2009 08:08 PM

I can assure you that "NS Brick" is not The Rat. I know who it is. He said he was going to pose this question yesterday when I talked to him because one of his shots as used for the first time on the aforementioned Yahoo Group. The Rat doesn't have the guts to join here and hold a civil conversation, plus he can't spell. I too am sad his group is now private. His insane rants were much needed after long boring days at work. Oh well!!!!

JimThias 11-13-2009 08:17 PM

So the sexless coward has gone into hiding like a frightened school girl?? That's rich, man! :lol:

jnohallman 11-13-2009 08:29 PM

Making the group private also, unfortunately, makes it easier for The Rat to avoid be called on the carpet for the copyright violations. By keeping any RP member out of the group, he can prevent us from seeing what's posted and raising the issue with Yahoo. Wonder if it would be worth dropping a line to Yahoo and inquiring about that . . . :evil:

Jon

Ween 11-13-2009 08:59 PM

2 Attachment(s)
BTW, attached is an example of how he was violating copyright laws compared to what his current homepage looks like. You can see how the coward changed things because of this thread.

Dang, Dan...sucks about cached pages, don't it?

Fail.


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