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Chris Z 04-24-2013 12:44 AM

Flickr site with RP pics
 
Here's a flickr site with a whole bunch of RP stuff, including mine. Interesting that no name is given for whomever started it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/92457017@N03/

Chris Z

Cjbdiesel 04-24-2013 12:54 AM

"All rights reserved" LOL

JRMDC 04-24-2013 12:55 AM

Everything "uploaded" on April 16th. RP copyright bar kept on the shots.

nikos1 04-24-2013 01:26 AM

Found one of mine, sent a complaint to the flicker copyright department.

Joe the Photog 04-24-2013 02:07 AM

Once again, my shots aren't good enough to steal.

nssd70 04-24-2013 02:43 AM

Found one of mine,and sent Flickr a complaint.

Doug

Mgoldman 04-24-2013 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikos1 (Post 165723)
Found one of mine, sent a complaint to the flicker copyright department.

What's the big deal?

The copyright was left on and no one's
making a profit.

It's probably someone who just likes
sharing pics and does not know any
better. What's the harm?

/Mitch

JimThias 04-24-2013 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mgoldman (Post 165734)
What's the big deal?

The copyright was left on and no one's
making a profit.

It's probably someone who just likes
sharing pics and does not know any
better. What's the harm?

Stating that they do "not know any better" implies there is something wrong it.

Which is it, Mitch?

:razz:

bigbassloyd 04-24-2013 02:06 PM

When you argue for both sides, it's hard to lose, right? :D

Loyd L.

Joe the Photog 04-24-2013 02:22 PM

It deserves attention because the shots he stole are not being viewed as the photographer intended them to be viewed. Both Railpictures and Flickr are being misused in this case, not to mention the photographers. Besides, you don't have to make a profit to be in violation of copyright law.

My two main outlets for sharing my photos are Railpictures and Flickr on *my* own profiles. Why would i want the views going somewhere else for my time?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mgoldman (Post 165734)
It's probably someone who just likes sharing pics and does not know any better. What's the harm?

If you should ever get caught speeding, tell the officer you didn't know what the speed limit was and see if that gets you out of a ticket.

nikos1 04-24-2013 05:53 PM

If it was Facebook I'd probably care somewhat less but its flikr, a photo sharing site not a social media site, its just as bad as if someone were posting them on RRPA.

Mgoldman 04-24-2013 05:58 PM

Joe - you're still getting the views you are after, in fact even more so, with your name credited as the photographer.

As for arguing both sides... Which of you two would contact McDonnalds management after seeing someone use the restroom without making a purchase?

/Mitch

bigbassloyd 04-24-2013 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mgoldman (Post 165752)
As for arguing both sides... Which of you two would contact McDonalds management after seeing someone use the restroom without making a purchase?

/Mitch

It depends. It's probably someone who just likes using the Mickey D's bathroom and does not know any better. What's the harm?

Loyd L.

JimThias 04-24-2013 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mgoldman (Post 165752)
As for arguing both sides... Which of you two would contact McDonnalds management after seeing someone use the restroom without making a purchase?

\Mitch

Seeing that I often use the bathrooms at McD's without making a purchase, I certainly wouldn't. :lol:

Joe the Photog 04-24-2013 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mgoldman (Post 165752)
Joe - you're still getting the views you are after, in fact even more so, with your name credited as the photographer.

No, I'm not. Some thief is. It doesn't matter if he left my name on. (Although, remember, he didn't actually using any of mine.) Now if he'd asked any of these guys if he could lift the shots off of RP and use them on his account and they said yes, there's no problem. If he'd asked me, I would have said no.

Creditting me, but not asking permission, did not work for a publication here in South Carolina. It shouldn't work for this guy either with the photog's he stole from.

Mgoldman 04-24-2013 07:22 PM

Joe - why do you put photos on Flickr? Or RP? I assume to share with others, possibly make sale or two. Your pics WITH your name credited does exactly just that.

As for your statement about the unauthorized use with credit in a publication, unlike Flickr, money was made in which the photographer was not compensated.

To your point, however, I would be pretty peeved if someone used my image with credit in a way that either made me look bad (ie; World's worst photographers) or in a campaign I did not agree with ("Passenger trains - 79 mph is fast enough!").

/Mitch

KevinM 04-24-2013 07:53 PM

I'd wager that the person who created that Flickr site is probably a relatively young person. One of the things I've noticed is that the latest generations are so obsessed with being "connected" that they've completely lost touch with what's going on around them. Parents don't spend as much time with kids in a quiet, electron-free environment where they can impart life values like they used to. Kids communicate through e-mail and social media, instead of looking people in the eyes and talking one-on-one and finding out how they really feel. People can't live without their mobile devices, yet they never listen to the news and are oblivious to world events. They drive down the road, but are so engrossed in their dumb-ass texts or e-mail, they fail to see the human being on foot, that they are about to kill.

Bottom line....when people live in a head's down environment, they just become ignorant. In my humble opinion, the reason people do this sort of thing is ignorance....pure and simple. They have no understanding of why it is wrong.

My $.02. ;)

nikos1 04-24-2013 08:16 PM

Got my one photo who removed, yay. Though the rest are still up.

Chris Z 04-24-2013 08:20 PM

I filed a complaint and my four are still there.

Chris Z

Chris Z 04-24-2013 11:10 PM

Here is the response I received from Yahoo.


Response Via Email (Agent) 04/24/2013 02:33 PM
Hello Chris,

Thank you for writing to us. Your previous correspondence was missing the following specific statements. The required criteria has been highlighted by the asterisks.

1. A statement that **you have a **good faith belief** that the use of the content in question is unauthorized.**

2. A statement by you, **made under penalty of perjury,** that the information provided in your notice is accurate and that you are the copyright or intellectual property owner or authorized to act on the copyright or intellectual property owner's behalf.**

Until we receive a complete and effective notice of infringement, Yahoo! will not be able to address your complaint.

Regards,

Copyright/IP Agent, Yahoo! Inc.
copyright@yahoo-inc.com
****************************
c/o Yahoo! Inc.
701 First Ave.
Sunnyvale, CA 94089

I don't understand their jargon. I e-mailed them the violations and asked to have my pictures removed.

Chris Z

nssd70 04-24-2013 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Z (Post 165767)
Here is the response I received from Yahoo.


Response Via Email (Agent) 04/24/2013 02:33 PM
Hello Chris,

Thank you for writing to us. Your previous correspondence was missing the following specific statements. The required criteria has been highlighted by the asterisks.

1. A statement that **you have a **good faith belief** that the use of the content in question is unauthorized.**

2. A statement by you, **made under penalty of perjury,** that the information provided in your notice is accurate and that you are the copyright or intellectual property owner or authorized to act on the copyright or intellectual property owner's behalf.**

Until we receive a complete and effective notice of infringement, Yahoo! will not be able to address your complaint.

Regards,

Copyright/IP Agent, Yahoo! Inc.
copyright@yahoo-inc.com
****************************
c/o Yahoo! Inc.
701 First Ave.
Sunnyvale, CA 94089

I don't understand their jargon. I e-mailed them the violations and asked to have my pictures removed.

Chris Z

I received the same email.

Doug

JRMDC 04-25-2013 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Z (Post 165767)

1. A statement that **you have a **good faith belief** that the use of the content in question is unauthorized.**

2. A statement by you, **made under penalty of perjury,** that the information provided in your notice is accurate and that you are the copyright or intellectual property owner or authorized to act on the copyright or intellectual property owner's behalf.**

...

I don't understand their jargon. I e-mailed them the violations and asked to have my pictures removed.

Chris Z

Chris, I don't know the phrasing of what you wrote to them, but the issue is copyright, which is a legal concept, hence administrated by lawyers. :) They want you to formally - "formally" is the key - assert that you believe you have been wronged, and that you are not lying. They want something more than he said / she said. So they want a particular type of response from you; phrasing matters in their world.

Just provide it, and move on. :)

nikos1 04-25-2013 12:44 AM

I got the same thing too, reply with the two statements they want, just state you 1.) have a good faith belief that they person does not have permission to use the photos 2.) You certify the information provided to be true under the penalty of perjury.
Worked for me, they will send you another email as a follow up.

jnohallman 04-25-2013 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mgoldman (Post 165752)
As for arguing both sides... Which of you two would contact McDonalds management after seeing someone use the restroom without making a purchase?
/Mitch

There's a big difference between what's going on with the Flickr site in question and the example you give here. The first issue is a legal one. The posting of the photos on the Flickr account is a violation of Federal Copyright Law, and it is a well established legal principle that "ignorance of the law is not a defense." The example of the McDonalds restroom is a matter of violating a corporate policy which is of questionable legality in the first place, but certainly not a violation of the law.

Jon

Mgoldman 04-25-2013 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jnohallman (Post 165779)
There's a big difference between what's going on with the Flickr site in question and the example you give here. The first issue is a legal one. The posting of the photos on the Flickr account is a violation of Federal Copyright Law, and it is a well established legal principle that "ignorance of the law is not a defense." The example of the McDonalds restroom is a matter of violating a corporate policy which is of questionable legality in the first place, but certainly not a violation of the law.

Jon

OK - make it stealing pens from work. :twisted:

/Mitch


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