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Trendyh 02-25-2007 09:44 PM

advice with rejected shot.
 
Hi all,
I need advise on getting this shot correct after it got rejected for Bad composition.
Is it because the deadspace to the right of the Freight train?
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=342176

I tried redoing it as a tighter crop since that is only way possible.
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8...6081012gc2.jpg

Cheers.

Andrew Blaszczyk (2) 02-25-2007 09:56 PM

It was rejected for being too tight of a crop. There was a similar image you uploaded that showed more of the area. That was the one you should tighten up a little bit and resubmitted. The loco on the left is too close to the edge of the frame in the photo in question.

Switched out 02-26-2007 01:50 AM

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Because of the tight cropping the image has been divided up into two distinct areas of action, the locomotive on the left and the train on the right. In the wider cropped accepted image the two areas are closer together within the frame plus the tracks converging help connect the two together.

Try resubmitting the rejected image as a vertical something along the lines of my suggestion. The only other tweak you could do would be to lighten the platform shadow a little with the Shadow/highlight tool.

Just my two cents I hope it is of some use.

Cheers,

Christine

Trendyh 02-26-2007 07:52 AM

Thanks for feedback managed to get them accepted. :D

Trendyh 02-26-2007 09:26 PM

Hi again,
Can i get some advice please on how to fix this shot?
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=342685



Thanks.

Fotaugrafee, Ink. 02-26-2007 11:47 PM

Too little train, too much sky & foreground with the train end-to-end in the frame. You'd have to make this panoramic for the most part, IMO. Next time, with such a lengthy consist, try for more of a 3/4 or 4/5 view.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Trendyh
Hi again,
Can i get some advice please on how to fix this shot?
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=342685


Switched out 02-27-2007 02:14 AM

I don't like your chances with this one Trevor, Definitely to much foreground.

My only suggestion for next time would be to try a more wide angle view further left of where this photo was taken and closer to the loco's if they have not been cut up by the time you get back there. Sob what a shame.

Christine

Andrew Blaszczyk (2) 02-27-2007 02:33 AM

I don't get why it was rejected. :-/ Yeah, there is a lot of foreground and although it's not "stunning," it isn't really that plain either. It sure as hell beats putting the locos in the center of the frame and getting more broing sky. :yawn: You included the bottom of the wall which doesn't leave the viewer wondering were it goes so they are free to move on and eventually find the train. I would love to see more shots where I can see more of the area that the train is part of such as this. It's much more interesting than a line of engines. Do I have to yawn again?

JRMDC 02-27-2007 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Blaszczyk (2)
I don't get why it was rejected. :-/ Yeah, there is a lot of foreground and although it's not "stunning," it isn't really that plain either. It sure as hell beats putting the locos in the center of the frame and getting more broing sky. :yawn: You included the bottom of the wall which doesn't leave the viewer wondering were it goes so they are free to move on and eventually find the train. I would love to see more shots where I can see more of the area that the train is part of such as this. It's much more interesting than a line of engines. Do I have to yawn again?

To me, it is more interesting only if the area is itself interesting! To me, the left foreground detracts because it reduces the extent of interesting stuff in the frame.

Actually, I can think of a shot, not on RP, where there is some significant area without detail, but the area tells part of the story, it shows the large (tree-covered mountain) context for the train, adding to the vertical dimension and making the train smaller, sort of a small encroachment on huge mother nature. So it's not the area, it is whether the area adds to the shot. Here, it's just empty space, to my tastes.

Andrew Blaszczyk (2) 02-27-2007 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trendyh
Hi again,
Can i get some advice please on how to fix this shot?
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreject.php?id=342685

Thanks.

Take out that bottom crack in the walkway? The line is leading away from the real subject, which seems to be throwing people off. The way the website is set up the photo opens with the top of the photo on the top where the interest is so if they just want to see the train then it is done for them already. Why does everyone want everything in the middle if there is an EVEN MORE BORING sky!?

JRMDC 02-27-2007 03:03 AM

Looking at it again, putting aside whether it is stunning or plain or whatever or what makes a good photograph in general, I suspect that doing a significant crop of bottom and left, yes, losing a number of the engines, might be a simple change that would at least significantly increase your chances of an RP acceptance. It would become a story of power in an aggregates/sand business area or whatever it is. Keep the hill and sky above, dump the stuff on left and bottom that does not add to that story. One possibility, for what it's worth.

Andrew Blaszczyk (2) 02-27-2007 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JRMDC
Looking at it again, putting aside whether it is stunning or plain or whatever or what makes a good photograph in general, I suspect that doing a significant crop of bottom and left, yes, losing a number of the engines, might be a simple change that would at least significantly increase your chances of an RP acceptance. It would become a story of power in an aggregates/sand business area or whatever it is. Keep the hill and sky above, dump the stuff on left and bottom that does not add to that story. One possibility, for what it's worth.

Nicely done, we're exactly on the same page there! I too saw that after I took a better look at the photo.


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