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troy12n 08-01-2017 07:08 PM

It's time to start a new "what were they thinking" thread
 
Leading out with this...

[photoid=625047]

I don't know, lighting, foreground obstructions, PIQ, noise, I could probably think of more. Somehow this is sitting at #1 To24 too...

This seems atypical of Matt's body of work

KevinM 08-01-2017 10:45 PM

These days, To24 doesn't necessarily mean much. Whenever you see an image get there that leaves you scratching your head, it is probably more due to an aggressive Facebook campaign than anything else. Now that RP took away the ability to see where views are coming from, it's pretty much "Katie bar the door."

Decapod401 08-02-2017 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinM (Post 191902)
These days, To24 doesn't necessarily mean much. Whenever you see an image get there that leaves you scratching your head, it is probably more due to an aggressive Facebook campaign than anything else. Now that RP took away the ability to see where views are coming from, it's pretty much "Katie bar the door."

Kevin, I agree 100%. It seems that a whole crop of KB mini-me's are campaigning the crap out of stuff that is not necessarily better than a lot of concurrent submissions, and dominating many TO24 slots. I used to a have a feel for which of my submissions would do well, getting to the top four if not TO24. Now reaching that level only occurs if the campaigners all take the day off. I enjoy the idea of a daily photo contest, but not if abusers are gaming the system. Flickr is becoming much more fun, and I'm finding many non-RP or ex-RP folks who I'm following. I'm seriously thinking about shifting there entirely from "the best-campaigned railroad photos on the net".

miningcamper1 08-02-2017 12:44 AM

Oh, I don't know. 55 of my 120 accepted shots have made Top 2 or Top 4, and that's with zero campaigning by me. I've been a harsh critic of the site since before I even posted anything, but the views are still better here for now, so I'll stick around. I simply mentally made this the secondary, get more views place.

Decapod401 08-02-2017 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miningcamper1 (Post 191904)
Oh, I don't know. 55 of my 120 accepted shots have made Top 2 or Top 4, and that's with zero campaigning by me. I've been a harsh critic of the site since before I even posted anything, but the views are still better here for now, so I'll stick around. I simply mentally made this the secondary, get more views place.

Maybe so, but you have only had ten of those shots accepted in the past two years. I think that the landscape has changed quite a bit in that time, and I would be surprised if you have the same percentage on your next 120 photos, and not due to any quality decline in you submissions. A lot of good photographers have slowed their roll or totally disappeared from RP over that timeframe, but they post on Flickr frequently.

I don't want to sound anti-RP, as I've learned a lot here. That said, my most recent learning is that, with a good referral platform, a lot of photos that should be part of the pack are abnormally rising to the top.

That said, making RP a secondary platform is the next step, as opposed to total withdrawal.

Darryl Rule 08-02-2017 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decapod401 (Post 191903)
Kevin, I agree 100%. It seems that a whole crop of KB mini-me's are campaigning the crap out of stuff that is not necessarily better than a lot of concurrent submissions, and dominating many TO24 slots. I used to a have a feel for which of my submissions would do well, getting to the top four if not TO24. Now reaching that level only occurs if the campaigners all take the day off. I enjoy the idea of a daily photo contest, but not if abusers are gaming the system. Flickr is becoming much more fun, and I'm finding many non-RP or ex-RP folks who I'm following. I'm seriously thinking about shifting there entirely from "the best-campaigned railroad photos on the net".

Totally agree, Doug. I have really enjoyed your offerings on Flickr!

Darryl

miningcamper1 08-02-2017 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decapod401 (Post 191905)
I think that the landscape has changed quite a bit in that time, and I would be surprised if you have the same percentage on your next 120 photos...

My recent week's burst of activity: 5 submitted, 4 accepted, 3 Top Shots notices, 5875 views. Just selections from the Logan file that happened to be on top. I'm annoyed they wouldn't take the NYO&W station, but other than that I'm pleased. :)

bigbassloyd 08-02-2017 04:54 AM

I do agree Troy. That shot at full size is pretty rough.

I've never cared too much about the view counts myself, but I'm not a fan of the facebook image pimps who can't live without whor.. 'showcasing' their shot on every group they can join.

Perhaps I'll give the flickr a try someday, but considering my lack of motivation to post photos here (although I did upload my 1 for the month already), I don't expect it to happen anytime soon.

Loyd L.

RobJor 08-02-2017 03:30 PM

I'd note he had a "better" version the day before, basically the same composition except without the turbines but otherwise a nicer image.

As far as TO-24 there are obviously a lot of factors but you can't compare something out of a logan box to something taken yesterday. Looking at the Landry day before photo which is nice but a CN train with a little fog it would be hard to say that is 3500 views image??


Bob Jordan

bigbassloyd 08-02-2017 03:54 PM

If one of my crappy shots can make it to TO24, anyone can (if the facebook sluts aren't in full PR mode).

Loyd L.

KevinM 08-02-2017 04:22 PM

With regard to the original shot, I am a bit surprised that RP didn't object to the odd way in which the turbine on the left was cut off. The screeners usually don't like that sort of thing.

With regard to the "Facebook Sluts" (l love that description!), that sort of "me first" approach seems typical of the way people behave these days in the age of so-called "social media." Environments such as Facebook and the like are touted as bringing us all closer, but I think that in many cases, it's just the opposite. People say things on-line that they would never say to a person's face. Kids bully other kids mercilessly. People text each other instead of actually talking to them. Society is actually losing its social skills, not enhancing them. In the case of the RP "Facebook Sluts", these folks have no desire to see how their images stack up against those of others. They couldn't care less about anyone else. I once browsed the RP Profile of perhaps the most well-known of these folks. In the section where most of us show our three favorite shots that others have taken, his selection is.....blank. When I looked at his "Favorites"....they were all his own. I guess I wasn't too surprised at that. :(

troy12n 08-02-2017 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobJor (Post 191909)
I'd note he had a "better" version the day before, basically the same composition except without the turbines but otherwise a nicer image.

As far as TO-24 there are obviously a lot of factors but you can't compare something out of a logan box to something taken yesterday. Looking at the Landry day before photo which is nice but a CN train with a little fog it would be hard to say that is 3500 views image??

I saw that one too, it wasn't any better IMHO, but I thought this one got the point across enough

troy12n 08-02-2017 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinM (Post 191911)
With regard to the original shot, I am a bit surprised that RP didn't object to the odd way in which the turbine on the left was cut off. The screeners usually don't like that sort of thing.

With regard to the "Facebook Sluts" (l love that description!), that sort of "me first" approach seems typical of the way people behave these days in the age of so-called "social media." Environments such as Facebook and the like are touted as bringing us all closer, but I think that in many cases, it's just the opposite. People say things on-line that they would never say to a person's face. Kids bully other kids mercilessly. People text each other instead of actually talking to them. Society is actually losing its social skills, not enhancing them. In the case of the RP "Facebook Sluts", these folks have no desire to see how their images stack up against those of others. They couldn't care less about anyone else. I once browsed the RP Profile of perhaps the most well-known of these folks. In the section where most of us show our three favorite shots that others have taken, his selection is.....blank. When I looked at his "Favorites"....they were all his own. I guess I wasn't too surprised at that. :(

I've never in my life posted a train photo on Facebook, simply because I do not want to be inundated with the inevitable "wtf" types of questions about the hobby...

I'm really glad some people do though. I enjoy looking at Ron Flannery's facebook feed.

bigbassloyd 08-02-2017 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 191918)
I've never in my life posted a train photo on Facebook, simply because I do not want to be inundated with the inevitable "wtf" types of questions about the hobby...

The key is to mix in 'pretty' train photos with the other stuff. And don't go all foamer in the description. :D

Or get new friends on facebook.

Loyd L.

Grewup on the CW 08-02-2017 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinM (Post 191911)
...... People text each other instead of actually talking to them. Society is actually losing its social skills, not enhancing them..... :(

I'll second that thought! Everyone is glued to their phones, nice gadget but sucking the life out of society. YO look up! tech zombies.....

StL-rail 08-04-2017 12:46 PM

[photoid=625440]
I hate singling people out, but come on!
-Bad high sun
-Backlit
-Low contrast
-A little undersharp (at least on my screen)
-Unlevel

Did I miss anything?

bigbassloyd 08-04-2017 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StL-rail (Post 191947)
[photoid=625440]
I hate singling people out, but come on!
-Bad high sun
-Backlit
-Low contrast
-A little undersharp (at least on my screen)
-Unlevel

Did I miss anything?

It's certainly a departure from his normal saturation plus eleventy type shots.

:D

Loyd L.

Decapod401 08-04-2017 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StL-rail (Post 191947)
[photoid=625440]
I hate singling people out, but come on!
-Bad high sun
-Backlit
-Low contrast
-A little undersharp (at least on my screen)
-Unlevel

Did I miss anything?

Highly campaigned. Will be TO24 soon.

bigbassloyd 08-04-2017 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decapod401 (Post 191951)
Highly campaigned. Will be TO24 soon.

Hope everyone else is scratching their head on it too.. :D

Loyd L.

troy12n 08-04-2017 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StL-rail (Post 191947)
[photoid=625440]
I hate singling people out, but come on!
-Bad high sun
-Backlit
-Low contrast
-A little undersharp (at least on my screen)
-Unlevel

Did I miss anything?

What the hell did he even do to get it looking like that? It appears there is sun, so why the need for overprocessing. Did he just completely botch the exposure?

And weird processing too

John West 08-04-2017 07:21 PM

The number of mediocre or even bad shots on RP is really endless. And some decent shots get nit picked to death. And some really good stuff shows up. C'est la vie. Why do people act surprised. Sceening is inherently judgmental, different things interest different people, and there are multiple screeners all with somewhat different standards. Heck, I be surprised if it were more consistent. The real downside is the good photogs who get discouraged but that is probably the nature of the beast. Net net I think RP does a reasonably good job for a low budget operation.

RobJor 08-04-2017 07:34 PM

My feeling is people know what brings on a rejection and have experiences with rejections so they compensate in anticipation. Actually we don't know if this was his first try or is "corrected" version. In this case the operation was a success but the patient died.

Bob

Freericks 08-05-2017 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 191918)
I've never in my life posted a train photo on Facebook, simply because I do not want to be inundated with the inevitable "wtf" types of questions about the hobby...

I'm really glad some people do though. I enjoy looking at Ron Flannery's facebook feed.

it's very easy to create FB lists - the only people who see my train photos are either railfans or friends who have specifically said they like to see train photos

amtrak07t 08-06-2017 01:17 AM

[photoid=625263]

I'll suppose we'll just throw the high sun and PIQ rejections right out the window.

troy12n 08-06-2017 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amtrak07t (Post 191959)
[photoid=625263]

I'll suppose we'll just throw the high sun and PIQ rejections right out the window.

I feel there are much, much worse to complain about. That one isn't that bad. and it's not high sun.


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