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John Russell - NZ 12-07-2016 06:50 PM

What is wrong with cloudy day photos?
 
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It seems that there's not a lot of hope for cloudy day photos (or slightly back-lit or side lit photos) - even special trips with heritage units for which one needs to accept whatever weather is on the day. I have had this photo and others rejected before yet I see so many others make it in - even a few of mine which prove to be among the most popular. How much light is enough? I have had photo rejection for not enough light on the nose where there is distinct grab iron shadow on the nose. This photo has been more popular on Flickr.com than most of my sunny shots. I guess it's just screener preference. But is there any editing enhancements recommended for such photos?

Sorry, the link to photo rejection does not work (nor can it be found in rejected photos under my profile - this is now also typical.) So instead I paste the rejection reason from notification and attach the image that was submitted.

Photo ID 1538423 was rejected from the database.
Railroad: Pahiatua Railcar Society
Locomotive: RM

Reason(s) for Rejection:

- Lighting (Cloudy): Cloudy day shots of common/standard power, as well as cloudy images of common/standard angles and scenes, are generally not accepted.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...23&key=3656435

conrail1990 12-07-2016 06:51 PM

Your link has expired.

miningcamper1 12-07-2016 09:33 PM

The "interestingness" of the content needs to outweigh the negative of the less-than-ideal lighting. A very subjective call on the screener's part. Of course, you can play with highlights/shadows, contrast and saturation to tip the balance in your favor.

John Russell - NZ 12-08-2016 10:12 AM

I have edited the original post attaching the exact image rejected which was in last 24 hours (so is not an expired link.) By the way, are others experiencing photo rejection links not working like this? Very few do for me and I suspect that might be a tactic of at least one screener to deter appeals/re-submissions.

John Russell - NZ 12-08-2016 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by miningcamper1 (Post 189994)
The "interestingness" of the content needs to outweigh the negative of the less-than-ideal lighting. A very subjective call on the screener's part. Of course, you can play with highlights/shadows, contrast and saturation to tip the balance in your favor.

The "interestingness" might be the issue with this subject. I do recall all but one image of this railcar being rejected - including sunny shots so it may be that the screener really doesn't like it. Anyway they should just say that it is not interesting rather than it's too common etc. As far as photo editing is concerned I steer clear of Lightroom because of "grain." I shoot RAW, adjust highlights etc and convert in Canon DPP, edit and resize JPG in Photo Shop Elements and sharpen in DPP. If anyone wants to demonstrate what they can do, the full size image can be downloaded from Flickr.com: https://www.flickr.com/photos/139637...posted-public/

JRMDC 12-08-2016 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by John Russell - NZ (Post 189998)
The "interestingness" might be the issue with this subject. I do recall all but one image of this railcar being rejected - including sunny shots so it may be that the screener really doesn't like it. Anyway they should just say that it is not interesting rather than it's too common etc. As far as photo editing is concerned I steer clear of Lightroom because of "grain." I shoot RAW, adjust highlights etc and convert in Canon DPP, edit and resize JPG in Photo Shop Elements and sharpen in DPP. If anyone wants to demonstrate what they can do, the full size image can be downloaded from Flickr.com: https://www.flickr.com/photos/139637...posted-public/

I can't speak to the other rejections as I have not seen them or the reasons they were rejected. The shot in question - and I think I can say this, John, you have hundreds of shots on RP and elsewhere and obviously know how to take a picture - is dull, lifeless. The light is as flat as light gets, and photography, after all, is the capture of light. The scene is barren other than the one tree, and I consider it not a train shot as much as a roster shot. RP holds roster shots to a much higher standard than scene shots. For that matter the tree is poorly placed, and the shot is imbalanced left to right. In general the non-train part of the scene lacks interest. Were it to make it on RP it would descend to the lowest part of your range of images here.

In other words, don't think anymore about "rescuing" this image for RP. Work on a better one and go back and retake this train if you can. You have done much, much better, and have done so many, many times.

KevinM 12-08-2016 02:49 PM

Hi John,

A couple of quick comments:

How long ago was the photo rejected? Typically, rejected photos are only held in the data base for 7 days, so the links will stop working and the shots will disappear from your rejected photo list after that time. If you are finding that the photo and link disappeared quicker than that, well that is curious indeed. I haven't been submitting much lately (too busy!!) so I can't say I have any recent experience with it. Occasionally, some features on RP do malfunction and it has been taking a while in some cases to get them working again.

With regard to the "Cloudy" rejection, I think that the usage is hit and miss. My understanding has always been that this rejection is typically applied for "Common Power", meaning that the standards are less strict for historic or unusual equipment. I have lots of cloudy day images in the data base, so my view is that if I can do it, anyone with reasonable processing skills should also be able to do it. I have no formal training on LR or PSE and I use both. My only training was at the "School of Hard Knocks" and even I have been able to sneak a fair number in. :lol:

In the case of this image, I agree with Janusz that it doesn't pop at all. It does look rather flat. In LR, I'd tell you to pull the "Lights" slider back a bit in the Tone Curve and see what that does. Perhaps some clarity would also help. I might also crop it tighter, since there's not much else of significance in the image and you want to emphasize the subject. Still, it may be a tough sell, particularly if you have ever argued with the RP Staff on other similar images.

I am curious about your comments regarding Lightroom and "grain." I use Lightroom all the time and would like to hear some more about your experience and why you believe that other software is better. I personally have been pretty pleased with LR and I find that I can now readily process images very quickly with it.

Decapod401 12-08-2016 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinM (Post 190001)

I am curious about your comments regarding Lightroom and "grain." I use Lightroom all the time and would like to hear some more about your experience and why you believe that other software is better. I personally have been pretty pleased with LR and I find that I can now readily process images very quickly with it.

Like Kevin, I process almost entirely in Lightroom, and I learned through lots of trial and error. I'm also curious about your observation of LR's introduction of "grain". Are you applying any Noise Reduction> I add quite a bit after sharpening, but I am processing slides, which may present challenges different from those of pure digital images.

Doug Lilly

John Russell - NZ 12-09-2016 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JRMDC (Post 190000)
I can't speak to the other rejections as I have not seen them or the reasons they were rejected. The shot in question - and I think I can say this, John, you have hundreds of shots on RP and elsewhere and obviously know how to take a picture - is dull, lifeless. The light is as flat as light gets, and photography, after all, is the capture of light. The scene is barren other than the one tree, and I consider it not a train shot as much as a roster shot. RP holds roster shots to a much higher standard than scene shots. For that matter the tree is poorly placed, and the shot is imbalanced left to right. In general the non-train part of the scene lacks interest. Were it to make it on RP it would descend to the lowest part of your range of images here.

In other words, don't think anymore about "rescuing" this image for RP. Work on a better one and go back and retake this train if you can. You have done much, much better, and have done so many, many times.

Thanks for your honest opinion. Even if I could make the 700-mile trip over and over until I get the sun right for it, I doubt any shot would be accepted. If the sun was out last time it would have been too high. Per photo caption (which was pasted from Flickr image,) we are talking about a "mothballed" line that sees 3 or 4 trains a year. Just as well I'm not that precious about it. The point of this example is I don't see it making any difference whether heritage unit or not so it may just be simply personal preference. I cropped the image from what it is on Flickr.com as I predicted a composition or "too much dead space" rejection if I didn't. I agree it would be a hard sell even if cropped tighter - especially with my rejection history!

John Russell - NZ 12-09-2016 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Decapod401 (Post 190003)
Like Kevin, I process almost entirely in Lightroom, and I learned through lots of trial and error. I'm also curious about your observation of LR's introduction of "grain". Are you applying any Noise Reduction> I add quite a bit after sharpening, but I am processing slides, which may present challenges different from those of pure digital images.

Doug Lilly

Thanks Doug. I have not personally used Lightroom but I had some of my images processed in it by others and was shocked by what appears to be grain when looking at images even at 100%. I experimented processing RAW images in PSE 11 but had what looked like the same issue (though not nearly as much). Noise reduction didn't make a noticeable difference so I went back to using Canon DPP to edit RAW. I take a minimalist approach - optimizing white balance, removing any color cast and basic highlight/ shadow fine tuning. I probably need some serious tuition because I don't seem to get past the error stage with anything much more than this!

John Russell - NZ 12-09-2016 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinM (Post 190001)
Hi John,

How long ago was the photo rejected? Typically, rejected photos are only held in the data base for 7 days, so the links will stop working and the shots will disappear from your rejected photo list after that time. If you are finding that the photo and link disappeared quicker than that, well that is curious indeed. I haven't been submitting much lately (too busy!!) so I can't say I have any recent experience with it. Occasionally, some features on RP do malfunction and it has been taking a while in some cases to get them working again.

I am curious about your comments regarding Lightroom and "grain." I use Lightroom all the time and would like to hear some more about your experience and why you believe that other software is better. I personally have been pretty pleased with LR and I find that I can now readily process images very quickly with it.

Thanks Kevin and all your comments and encouragement. I adore your stand out photography.

Now to answer: most rejections do not appear in my profile list or have a working link. I suspect settings are at play as daily upload limit was halved "due to a high number of rejections". I did ask earlier about this and so far nobody else says they have this issue which came into effect many months ago. This time I did get a working link for another [easy fix] rejected photo.

I agree with your comments about the rejected image and if not for the rare opportunity would not have even bothered taking some of the shots that day.

As far as Lightroom is concerned, I'm not saying other software is better - only that in my experience I have had issues with what looks like grain. It's perhaps a matter of competence but a good reason for me to avoid using it!

miningcamper1 12-09-2016 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by John Russell - NZ (Post 190010)
"...daily upload limit was halved "due to a high number of rejections".

Paying member and they cut your uploads??? :roll:
Talk about biting the hand that feeds them!

Mberry 12-09-2016 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by miningcamper1 (Post 190011)
Paying member and they cut your uploads??? :roll:
Talk about biting the hand that feeds them!

The whole point of elite is to have unlimited uploads. :shock:

Decapod401 12-09-2016 11:06 PM

:confused:
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Originally Posted by Mberry (Post 190012)
The whole point of elite is to have unlimited uploads. :shock:

So what is half of unlimited? :confused:

John Russell - NZ 12-10-2016 03:31 AM

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"While RPElite members normally enjoy unlimited submissions, occasionally we are forced to limit this benefit due to a high rate of rejections. You will still continue to enjoy the other benefits of RPElite membership." I thought that all Elite members were subject to an upload limit due to the workload of screeners (the word occasionally being used) and "a high number of photo rejections." It seems it is 10 for most but mine is 5 per day and it appears that it could be set to anything the admin wanted. I don't know whether other Elite members are all affected or whether admin(s) single out members with what they consider a high rate of rejection. My photo rejection rate is probably a lot less than the 70% average in spite of screener bias. Ultimately less than 10% fail to be accepted because of my persistence with re-submission and that is why I suspect the changes are punitive. I don't have a problem with the limit but I do with the reason and lack of notification and that Elite membership is still advertised as being unlimited. Other benefits that are promoted such as Elite lounge forum are elusive or non-existent! If anybody has ever found a way into the Elite lounge or the very exclusive Elite Premium let me know because I can't get an answer from admins. Screen dump of my photo upload limit from profile:

JRMDC 12-10-2016 03:46 AM

Way back when I wondered about the Elite forum, wondering who used it, how often. One never hears about it, I guess I though it was like the submission guidelines, something written a decade ago and untouched since. I would guess that if one can still sign up for Elite today it is because no one ever bothered to turn off the functionality, just as many things are not bothered with.

John Russell - NZ 12-10-2016 04:09 AM

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I signed up for Elite subscription in 2013 within days of joining RPN because I was restricted to 2 uploads a day. I would expect that anybody uploading more than 2 photos a day would be an Elite member i.e. a subscriber. If this is not so then we are dealing with something a bit more serious than strange here. The Elite subscription is still fully functional as I have just joined for a year instead of paying monthly. I received this PayPal receipt, a RPN acknowledgement message, and to my surprise that photo upload limit has disappeared. That does seem to support my theory that it was punitive in the first place.

John Russell - NZ 12-10-2016 10:36 AM

And there's Trainspo.com if RailPictures.Net doesn't like your photo. I have been on this site almost as long as RPN. And now that photo responsible for this thread is too... https://trainspo.com/photo/78480/

RobJor 12-10-2016 02:25 PM

Not a fan of the cloudy day rejection but I assume they have a range of number photos per day they prefer and the various rejections help keep photos in that range????

Also when you think of the preview photos I'd guess people are less likely overall to click on somewhat grey, darker, flat images than ones with pop like.

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bob

Also, am an elite member but rarely submit more than one a day, I hate the rejection note and don't want to deal with more than one at a time.

troy12n 12-10-2016 04:39 PM

Have to wonder how many "elite" members they have...

And wonder if the same people still use AOL for internet access.

Mberry 12-10-2016 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by John Russell - NZ (Post 190027)
I signed up for Elite subscription in 2013 within days of joining RPN because I was restricted to 2 uploads a day. I would expect that anybody uploading more than 2 photos a day would be an Elite member i.e. a subscriber. If this is not so then we are dealing with something a bit more serious than strange here. The Elite subscription is still fully functional as I have just joined for a year instead of paying monthly. I received this PayPal receipt, a RPN acknowledgement message, and to my surprise that photo upload limit has disappeared. That does seem to support my theory that it was punitive in the first place.

I was elite in the spring of 2014 for 3 months and for 1 month just a few months back, both times because I had quite a backlog of photos I wanted to get added to the database. In both instances I had unlimited uploads the entire time.... that was the whole point of me using elite, albeit temporarily

John Russell - NZ 12-11-2016 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RobJor (Post 190029)
Not a fan of the cloudy day rejection but I assume they have a range of number photos per day they prefer and the various rejections help keep photos in that range????

Also when you think of the preview photos I'd guess people are less likely overall to click on somewhat grey, darker, flat images than ones with pop like.

I'd be inclined to agree but sometimes the color pops in the cloudy day shots and some folks even prefer them. The image rejected is admittedly not one of my best but is a close up shot with good color, looking good in a thumbnail. It's a very rare historic vehicle which simply isn't so interesting to the screeners, perhaps just too foreign for US. The point is that "interestingness" is perhaps more important than great lighting for such photos for viewers. My photos of this railcar on Flickr.com vary greatly in lighting but not popularity. On trainspo.com, where 3 screener votes are needed for acceptance, the RPN rejected photo is nearly as popular as a sunny shot of same vehicle also posted 2 days ago and as popular as a long ago posted photo my RPN forum avatar is from: https://trainspo.com/photo/78239/

JimThias 12-11-2016 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by John Russell - NZ (Post 190027)
I signed up for Elite subscription in 2013 within days of joining RPN because I was restricted to 2 uploads a day. I would expect that anybody uploading more than 2 photos a day would be an Elite member i.e. a subscriber. If this is not so then we are dealing with something a bit more serious than strange here. The Elite subscription is still fully functional as I have just joined for a year instead of paying monthly. I received this PayPal receipt, a RPN acknowledgement message, and to my surprise that photo upload limit has disappeared. That does seem to support my theory that it was punitive in the first place.

I'm not an elite member, nor have I ever been, but I have always had a 10 submission limit.

John Russell - NZ 12-11-2016 07:31 PM

Thanks Jim. That's interesting. Perhaps there are honorary Elite members. Or maybe only overseas members have to subscribe to be unlimited? Do you get the "20000 women" advertising? I think the admins need to clarify what is going on because it certainly doesn't appear that it's an equal opportunity site here. BTW, no difference in popularity between the sunny and not sunny images in my test posting on trainspo.com and virtually none on Flickr.com either - just to get back to the context of original post. It seems Jean-Marc is right after all.

KevinM 12-11-2016 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by John Russell - NZ (Post 190041)
Thanks Jim. That's interesting. Perhaps there are honorary Elite members. Or maybe only overseas members have to subscribe to be unlimited?

Hi John,

No, there is nothing sinister about Jim's 10 upload limit. Lots of us have that same limit.. When the site first opened in the early 2000's everyone started with a 10 upload limit. That practice continued until late in the decade. At one point, Admin began discussing reducing the limit for those who had high rates of rejection and they ultimately began to enforce that practice. Eventually, with lots of new people joining and starting to blitz the upload queue with sub-par work, Admin placed a limit on all new members. That's when they also started to offer Elite Memberships for those who wanted more.

At least as of right now, those original members who managed to figure out the "RP Recipe" without feeling the need to blitz the queue, appeal every last rejection or send nasty e-mails to the Admins still have the 10 shot limit on uploads. I personally never abuse it. I think the max I have ever done was about 7 shots, and that was probably just once. I rarely upload more than one a day and lately, I have just been too busy to find the time. Hopefully, that will change as we approach the holidays.

John Russell - NZ 12-12-2016 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinM (Post 190042)
Hi John,

No, there is nothing sinister about Jim's 10 upload limit. Lots of us have that same limit.. When the site first opened in the early 2000's everyone started with a 10 upload limit. That practice continued until late in the decade. At one point, Admin began discussing reducing the limit for those who had high rates of rejection and they ultimately began to enforce that practice. Eventually, with lots of new people joining and starting to blitz the upload queue with sub-par work, Admin placed a limit on all new members. That's when they also started to offer Elite Memberships for those who wanted more.

At least as of right now, those original members who managed to figure out the "RP Recipe" without feeling the need to blitz the queue, appeal every last rejection or send nasty e-mails to the Admins still have the 10 shot limit on uploads. I personally never abuse it. I think the max I have ever done was about 7 shots, and that was probably just once. I rarely upload more than one a day and lately, I have just been too busy to find the time. Hopefully, that will change as we approach the holidays.

Kevin, I hope that changes too! I love your photos. Shouldn't be any upload limit for you! Thanks for the clarification about membership. I don't appeal anything now - I probably didn't learn that fast enough though. Thanks guys for your helpful comments.

Mberry 12-12-2016 03:00 PM

I've been an rp member going back to the mid-2000's I guess but only started uploading in August 2013. Since then I've gone from 5 to 2 to 10 to 1 to 2 slots I believe.:shock:

Decapod401 12-12-2016 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mberry (Post 190045)
I've been an rp member going back to the mid-2000's I guess but only started uploading in August 2013. Since then I've gone from 5 to 2 to 10 to 1 to 2 slots I believe.:shock:

I joined in July 2014, and my limit has always been two uploads per day. It was a little frustrating early on when I was getting a lot of rejections as this film guy started to learn digital photo processing. I would make a correction and then have to wait until the next day to get feedback on the adjustment.

Now I have no desire to have more than two slots. I spend more time than I should processing photos and researching/writing captions at a two-a-day rate.

John Russell - NZ 12-28-2016 07:55 PM

It appears that the 10 photo upload limit applied to about 2010 at least according to a post I found.

John Russell - NZ 12-28-2016 07:57 PM

I have now added the subject photo to Flickr.com group "Rejected by RailPictures.net": https://www.flickr.com/photos/139637...-29741875@N00/ It will be in some good company in this group started in 2006. I have often wondered what gems could be among photo rejections (which probably number well over a million now,) especially reading that others too have had magazine/ calendar published photos rejected by RPN.

JimThias 12-29-2016 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by John Russell - NZ (Post 190197)
I have often wondered what gems could be among photo rejections (which probably number well over a million now,) especially reading that others too have had magazine/ calendar published photos rejected by RPN.

A lot of magazine published images have nothing to do with quality. RP's standards are generally much higher. I can open up any railroad-related magazine and pick out shots that would be (and should be) rejected by RP's standards.

John Russell - NZ 12-29-2016 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JimThias (Post 190200)
A lot of magazine published images have nothing to do with quality. RP's standards are generally much higher. I can open up any railroad-related magazine and pick out shots that would be (and should be) rejected by RP's standards.

I totally agree Jim, even when it comes to cover and calendar photos which I hold to a higher standard. For magazines this can be expected for photos that are historic or rare, especially as part of an article or story. My understanding is that RP can make similar allowances. As far as any standard is concerned, how it is applied depends on "interestingness" factors, including the personal preferences or standards of the screener. My standards obviously differ from that of screening team as I often see accepted images I would find hard to accept due to lack of lens distortion correction (especially verticals not being vertical) or the whole side of the subject train in shadow. The cloudy day rejection is worded in a way that seems to imply that it's primarily concerned with "common power", common angles etc. Since starting this post I found this quote from a guide written by Chase Gunnoe: "RailPictures likes great photographs of trains, not photography of great trains." (http://www.therailroadcollection.com...ginners-guide/.) So it seems that it doesn't matter how rare the vehicle or any trains on a section of track might be, if it's not very well lit and/ or interesting enough it doesn't generally get in. And if cloudy day photos aren't OK, there's a lot of scenic or interesting railroad scenes that world won't see on RP.

RobJor 12-29-2016 12:50 PM

I have to admit to a little smile when I read all the angst about the rules, composition, light etc and then view many the top photos which often have little to with all that "stuff". They are often wrecks, dead lines, stored power, or sometimes "re-views" of things I have seen before with maybe a little different angle.

I have nothing against these images as they have interest for viewer's including myself but do not fit into the "great photo" category??? I did have a little extra big smile tho when I saw the "re-view" of the pickup in the desert which had gone through several iterations on this forum.

Bob

John West 12-29-2016 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by John Russell - NZ (Post 190197)
I have now added the subject photo to Flickr.com group "Rejected by RailPictures.net": https://www.flickr.com/photos/139637...-29741875@N00/ It will be in some good company in this group started in 2006. I have often wondered what gems could be among photo rejections (which probably number well over a million now,) especially reading that others too have had magazine/ calendar published photos rejected by RPN.

Thanks for the link the Flickr group, had not seen that. In browsing through the Flickr group and recent RP images my quick and dirty impression is they are more similar than different. Way too many wedgies in both places, and both illustrate the inconsistencies of screening...the Flickr group has a bunch that make you wonder why they were rejected by RP, and RP has a bunch that make you wonder why they were accepted. Probably the major difference is the Flickr group does have a lot more images with poor to mediocre lighting, or color balance issues. But overall the two are more similar than different. Kinda of reminds me of the stock market and the fact that unmanaged funds often outperform managed funds. But that said, I think the give and take at RP is useful in that even "bad" criticism helps us be more critical of our own work.

John Russell - NZ 12-29-2016 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by John West (Post 190212)
Thanks for the link the Flickr group, had not seen that. In browsing through the Flickr group and recent RP images my quick and dirty impression is they are more similar than different. Way too many wedgies in both places, and both illustrate the inconsistencies of screening...the Flickr group has a bunch that make you wonder why they were rejected by RP, and RP has a bunch that make you wonder why they were accepted...

I kind of agree mostly - except that I like wedgies. It's the setting (background or interesting structure) that makes the difference to me. I've had rejections for any radically different angles (going away or from below a viaduct) so that might partly explain why so many wedgies. Actually a criticism I read often is that too many photos are far too distant. Great setting but where is the train in the thumbnail? I'd agree that some of them are let down by 1200*800 format.

John West 12-30-2016 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by John Russell - NZ (Post 190220)
I kind of agree mostly - except that I like wedgies.

A really good wedgie is a thing of joy and beauty. But the fact they are so common, and many not so really good, works to their disadvantage. I do not dislike wedgies but I do enjoy variety.

SAR Connecta 12-30-2016 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by John Russell - NZ (Post 190197)
I have now added the subject photo to Flickr.com group "Rejected by RailPictures.net": https://www.flickr.com/photos/139637...-29741875@N00/ It will be in some good company in this group started in 2006. I have often wondered what gems could be among photo rejections (which probably number well over a million now,) especially reading that others too have had magazine/ calendar published photos rejected by RPN.

John, my very novice observation of your rejected photo is that you left the photo very "open". Perhaps a tighter crop of your rare subject and a bit of added editing pop may well have seen it in the RP database.

For me personally, I'm not a fan of the Flickr group "Rejected by Railpictures.net". A group of disgruntled RP contributors is not my idea of fun.

John Russell - NZ 12-30-2016 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SAR Connecta (Post 190223)
John, my very novice observation of your rejected photo is that you left the photo very "open". Perhaps a tighter crop of your rare subject and a bit of added editing pop may well have seen it in the RP database.

For me personally, I'm not a fan of the Flickr group "Rejected by Railpictures.net". A group of disgruntled RP contributors is not my idea of fun.

The rejection wasn't for cropping/ composition though that might have been the next reason. I don't care about my photo. I care more about the photos of others that I'm not going to see on RP. I care more about whether RP has screening that in practice is fair to all and encourages contributors like this excellent forum does. I care that most (if not all) other RP contributors from my country have given up. I care that the reputation of RP.net is not what it should be though I say it is what it claims to be. There is definitely a place for the Flickr.com group. I wish I knew about it while I waited nearly 3 years to get entry into this forum. I doubt that even most the photos there are actually RP photo rejections though. Thanks to all who helped clarify some points about the membership along the way of this thread. To sum up: the cloudy day rejection is generally applied, especially for foreign railroad subjects; it generally doesn't matter if the subject is historical or rare. Now to answer the question posed at the beginning, let the test results speak.

SAR Connecta 12-31-2016 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by John Russell - NZ (Post 190226)
The rejection wasn't for cropping/ composition though that might have been the next reason. I don't care about my photo. I care more about the photos of others that I'm not going to see on RP. I care more about whether RP has screening that in practice is fair to all and encourages contributors like this excellent forum does. I care that most (if not all) other RP contributors from my country have given up. I care that the reputation of RP.net is not what it should be though I say it is what it claims to be. There is definitely a place for the Flickr.com group. I wish I knew about it while I waited nearly 3 years to get entry into this forum. I doubt that even most the photos there are actually RP photo rejections though. Thanks to all who helped clarify some points about the membership along the way of this thread. To sum up: the cloudy day rejection is generally applied, especially for foreign railroad subjects; it generally doesn't matter if the subject is historical or rare. Now to answer the question posed at the beginning, let the test results speak.

John, I did realise that your original rejection was not for cropping / composition. My suggestion to try another crop was to see if the overall effect of the cloudy "open" scene could be minimised and place more emphasis your historical subject (railcar) i.e. to maximise the appeal of your photo which was presented for screening with a given / valid rejection reason already chalked up against it. Possibly even a black & white conversion would have worked? Rejections are always frustrating, but I've come to realise that they make a lot more sense a day or so later, rather than when initially received. Personally, I don't agree that the generic "Cloudy" rejection is applied unduly to foreign railroad subjects. I live in Durban, South Africa and I've had a few cloudy (grey & dingy) photos accepted and there are many such photos routinely accepted from around the world. I don't envy the RP screeners at all, but I do love looking through the accepted photos on RP on a daily basis and am very confidant that as a whole they get it right.

John Russell - NZ 12-31-2016 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SAR Connecta (Post 190227)
I don't envy the RP screeners at all, but I do love looking through the accepted photos on RP on a daily basis and am very confidant that as a whole they get it right.

Yes a big thanks to everyone who makes RP what it says it is and a great community to be part of. We must accept that standards here (or anywhere) may not be what we want personally. I would prefer that viewers have a little more decision making in what they see on RP. Of course, the RP reputation requires that the standard must be held high. I raised this matter to get more clarity around it as there seems a noticeable shift in screener discretion lately. Overall, the screeners do a great job at keeping RP's reputation. Thanks guys!

Good luck for 2017 (already well under way here.)


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