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RobJor 10-02-2019 12:18 AM

curious
 
Little curiosity here? Sky and Water at 640th of a second. Maybe just me so want to see what others think, if anything????

[photoid=711611]

Bob

vcode455 10-02-2019 02:17 AM

Agreed. Water should not have that effect @ 1/640. Double exposure of some kind?

KevinM 10-02-2019 03:16 AM

Yes. It's likely two images blended. One long exposure with no train, and another with the train, the latter being done at 1/640th.

Kevin B. 10-02-2019 10:14 AM

This is the exact question that I had... LOL!

Sean Mathews 10-02-2019 11:24 AM

I had just got done writing a comment asking what exposure was used then came here.

Sky and the water look like at the very least a 30 second exposure. And then obviously the train and steam (and driver) shows know long exposures at all.

My first thought was a double exposure... but that would be pretty tricky to pull off with two exposures so widely different. Well, without at least some very heavy post processing.

bigbassloyd 10-02-2019 01:01 PM

It's relatively easy to do. The majority of the scene is from the long exposure (the water, sky, trees, etc.) The only thing blended in from the second image was the train. You can achieve the result in photoshop, or the really easy way is via a stacking software such as StarstaX.

Loyd L.

RobJor 10-02-2019 01:10 PM

Not too hard manually to blend. It is not that bright so might not even need filters but there are the ND filters you can just hold over the lens, you don't have to screw on. Is this something that we can do here officially? At night would be a big help to shoot background at several seconds and then catch the train but I have not done since I thought we were limited to single exposure. I have double processed in raw but still a single exposure.

Bob

bigbassloyd 10-02-2019 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobJor (Post 195840)
Not too hard manually. Is this something that we can do here officially? At night would be a big help to shoot background at several seconds and then catch the train but I have not done since I thought we were limited to single exposure. I have double processed in raw but still a single exposure.

Bob

Yes, it's been accepted here for as long as I can remember. Several of the 'good' night OCF guys will fire two exposures and blend to allow a greater control over the exposure throughout the scene. Personally, I reached out to Chris K. years ago before uploading one of my stack shots of a Polaris swirl over a signal for verification it was kosher before uploading it.

Loyd L.

Joseph Cermak 10-02-2019 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobJor (Post 195840)
Is this something that we can do here officially?

Bob

I've seen it done before so I assume it's something that's allowable, but who knows if it varies screener to screener.

[photoid=708414]

Grewup on the CW 10-02-2019 02:14 PM

I favored the pic so I could study it more as I questioned how is the possible and now I know how its done. I just thought I was doing it all wrong......just goes to show how much more I have to learn.

Sean Mathews 10-02-2019 02:15 PM

Well.... this changes everything! Lol... I've got an image I am adding then...

We'll put this theory to work

Grewup on the CW 10-02-2019 02:21 PM

So in other words.... a pic like this is technically "creating the moment" and is not the true moment at hand, two entirely different realms.

bigbassloyd 10-02-2019 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Grewup on the CW (Post 195845)
So in other words.... a pic like this is technically "creating the moment" and is not the true moment at hand, two entirely different realms.

Long exposures by definition are always creating the moment.

Ever went outside and saw this?

https://photos.smugmug.com/Beauty-in...nLGPrint-S.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Railroadi...eetPrint-S.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Railroadi...4LgPrint-S.jpg

It happened, but our eyes can't see it the same way an open shutter can :D

Loyd L.

Grewup on the CW 10-02-2019 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 195846)
Long exposures by definition are always creating the moment.

Ever went outside and saw this?

https://photos.smugmug.com/Beauty-in...nLGPrint-S.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Railroadi...eetPrint-S.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Railroadi...4LgPrint-S.jpg

It happened, but our eyes can't see it the same way an open shutter can :D

Loyd L.

I get the long exposure at night/stars thing but the examples you given are not doubled or overlay-ed, correct? Single exposure?

bigbassloyd 10-02-2019 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grewup on the CW (Post 195847)
I get the long exposure at night/stars thing but the examples you given are not doubled or overlay-ed, correct? Single exposure?

All three are not single exposures, hence why I posted them. You can't tell the difference right? :D

The water in the artistic world can be very muddy at times.

Loyd L.

Grewup on the CW 10-02-2019 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 195848)
All three are not single exposures, hence why I posted them. You can't tell the difference right? :D

The water in the artistic world can be very muddy at times.

Loyd L.

With no night trains within a short drive from home and lack of knowledge/experience to even capture two different pics to overlay (another thing to learn) guess I will just sit back dream until time seasons the greenhorn.:lol:

KevinM 10-02-2019 03:07 PM

The world of photography encompasses a wide spectrum. At one end, there is pure documentary photography, and at the opposite end, there is pure art. There is also a whole lot in between. RP attempts to define standards for the quality of images in the former category. The quality of images in the latter category is totally in the eye of the beholder and there are no rules.

bigbassloyd 10-02-2019 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grewup on the CW (Post 195849)
With no night trains within a short drive from home and lack of knowledge/experience to even capture two different pics to overlay (another thing to learn) guess I will just sit back dream until time seasons the greenhorn.:lol:

How far from the CW are you now? I know a guy 2 hours from there who can help.

While night / long exposure photography is my passion, it is more open to non-traditional techniques to capture a traditional composition. Some of which may be frowned upon by 'traditional' photographers.

Loyd L.

RobJor 10-02-2019 03:23 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Since we are doing show and tell, here I am on the High Falls, near midnight in February, was balmy but too much so, would have preferred more ice.

1) Single Time Exposure.
2) Single normal Exposure

Little fun just doing time exposures is overlapping the color changes to see what you get.

Grewup on the CW 10-02-2019 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 195851)
How far from the CW are you now? I know a guy 2 hours from there who can help.

While night / long exposure photography is my passion, it is more open to non-traditional techniques to capture a traditional composition. Some of which may be frowned upon by 'traditional' photographers.

Loyd L.

Location to CW - Sent you a PM. Chat about that there.

I am open to learning all aspects of photography, artistic or traditional I am fine with either way, its all in the eyes of the beholder as to what is "pretty". The only beef I can see with "traditional" photographers may have is a not disclosing double exposure but then again if they are worthy of their craft, then shouldn't they already know that?

Grewup on the CW 10-02-2019 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobJor (Post 195853)
Since we are doing show and tell, here I am on the High Falls, near midnight in February, was balmy but too much so, would have preferred more ice.

1) Single Time Exposure.
2) Single normal Exposure

Little fun just doing time exposures is overlapping the color changes to see what you get.

My vote is on the magenta pic :cool:

need2foam 10-03-2019 06:15 PM

Explanation from the photographer:
Quote:

Posted by Ddrennenphoto on October 2, 2019
Thanks guys! in reference to the questions of how the photo was shot, this is 2 photos of the same location stitched together. I set up my location on a tripod, and did a 20 second exposure for the waterfalls, reset the camera for when 765 passed, and then shot a much faster shutter speed. I stitched both together in photoshop, both photos stitched were shot within minutes of each other. thanks again!
I like this shot a lot. It has the same sort of appeal that panned or pacing shots do for me.


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