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Sean Mathews 09-10-2013 07:09 PM

*Accepted!!!* Need help getting this accepted
 
:grin: ACCEPTED!!!!!!!!!! Finally!!! Here is the accepted version 450858......

http://www.railpictures.net/images/d...1378918712.jpg


Bad Cropping (which I don't see), and backlit. I really want to get this one accepted because it's a Chessie. I took it this morning. Couldn't believe I saw it. Must be the last remaining Chessie paint job with B&O reporting marks.

Looking back at it now, the color is off I can tell. Using LR5. Any recommendations? After this was rejected I submitted as black and white. Honestly, it turned out really cool with the mist. I think it works better as B&W so we will see if that is accepted. Thanks all!

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...68&key=7315204

B&W rejected. Backlit. Is it really that bad???

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...77&key=6572371

Mgoldman 09-10-2013 07:32 PM

It looks (almost) awesome to me, Sean.

I like the color much better - the train just pops - especially the Chessie. The black and white is a bit flat. The color is very rich and vibrant. I'd work on that one.

As for the "poor crop", having a subject centered vertically seems to be near instant rejection on RP. Crop it to put the train more to the bottom third of the image. Loose some to the left and bottom and I think you have a good shot at it.

Poor lighting seems more an issue of one screener then a broken rule. You could try to selectively brighten some of the darker areas - or use shadows and highlights to increase the brightness and detail in the shadow (and or overall picture).

Primarily - I'd try to get more detail out of the trucks and not worry so much about the nose at all. If that does not do the trick, appeal. If THAT does not do the trick, consider what I said above and just brighten the entire image with the "fill" tool or shadow recovery making the overall image brighter but don't go too far making it look flat and "like a painting".

/Mitch

CSX1702 09-10-2013 07:34 PM

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I don't know about the lighting. As nice as it looks, I don't think the screeners like it. If someone can help get it looking better, I have an idea for the crop.

I took some off on all sides and helped it fit the Rule of Thirds better.

http://forums.railpictures.net/attac...1&d=1378841624

Sean Mathews 09-10-2013 07:58 PM

Ok.... I have yet to submit this one, but I think with all of your help I might be on to something. I think this version looks pretty sublime.

http://i.imgur.com/Pqp5bEd.jpg

Mgoldman 09-10-2013 08:38 PM

The second most often cited reason for "poor crop" on RP... is a crop that is top heavy or has too much "extra" on one side.

I'd crop a little tighter on the left so that I could crop more off the top.

Looks really good to me!

/Mitch

Mgoldman 09-10-2013 08:44 PM

Might lighten the sky just a hair - closer to the first but not as bright. And then bring the contrast back to the trees - slightly. One method would be to burn the shadows slightly and dodge the midrange and highlights.

The rest looks PC'able.

/Mitch

JRMDC 09-10-2013 09:41 PM

Re the revision, you turned a blue sky into a dark, ominous one. Maybe back off on that a bit. I like the darkish/contrasty treatment. Definitely the color. Yes, a bit less sky. I guess I am agreeing with mitch a lot here, so I'll just encourage.

Sean Mathews 09-10-2013 10:16 PM

*Update* Submitted this photo below. Rejected. Bad color and they said it was unlevel this time. Back to the drawing board. Maybe more saturation?

All... excellent advice again. Ok... so here's another revision. Sky is less angry, boosted contrast in trees a tad, colors a tad brighter than last, and a bit off the left and top removed. Trying to hit that number 25. For some reason, I feel this is the best photo I have taken, if I can get it to work. Maybe it's just because of the Chessie engine. I wish I had more time to set up, but this was literally a stroke of luck as I had stopped at McDonalds for breakfast in the next town over which delayed me enough to see this train ramble by. Probably the only one of the day on the rickety branch line.

http://i.imgur.com/A7Sx73P.jpg

n70guy 09-11-2013 02:26 AM

Your edited version (in my opinion) is a great photo, regardless of any nitpicks from the screeners. Nice shot Sean. Of course, my opinion and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee at McDonald's....;)

JimThias 09-11-2013 04:08 AM

Unlevel was the first thing I noticed with the first rejection. I'm not sure why they didn't just nail you for that then.

Mgoldman 09-11-2013 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JimThias (Post 170040)
Unlevel was the first thing I noticed with the first rejection. I'm not sure why they didn't just nail you for that then.

Pffft..... How do you walk a straight line in this world?

Sean - this is bordering the nit picking that Chris says does not exist on this site. Sometimes that's not a bad thing if the photographer is motivated enough to make his or her photo worthy
of consideration for the next National Geographic or Time magazine cover. Or, if perhaps Chris would take my advice and reject with the comment - keep at it, we'd really like to accept this one.

So - as for unlevel - I will *guess* perhaps a pubic hair or two CCW.

As for color - Auto any and everything in Photoshop leaves the image unchanged except "auto color" but that makes the image warmer and in my opinion adds to much hazy yellow.

However - if you go to "Levels" and you'll see it's near perfect... but then go to "Options" and it will bring up "Auto Color Options" at which point you can
go shadows clip and change from default of .10 and change to 1 and highlights clip and also change to 1% vs .1. I often change those values - they assure you have at least somewhere
in your image -maximum blacks and whites. The hazeyness went away completely and the image became sharper and a little less green.

Then, if RP does not accept it, I'd send it to both Time and NatGeo for a possible center spread. Or, you can walk, like many other fine ex-RP'rs whose work must be viewed elsewhere - like
TRAINS and Railroads Illustrated.. or FB. I hope instead you endure what seems to be the road to perfection which this screener has chosen to somewhat exclusively steer you onto.


Good luck - PC in it if you get it on.

/Mitch

PS - I rotated it .01 CCW and that looked crooked.
In other words, looks good to me as is.
The verticals on the centered Chessie cab look PERFECT.

Maybe Jim can chime in on which blades of grass were not
perpendicular to the ground?

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milwman 09-11-2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JimThias (Post 170040)
Unlevel was the first thing I noticed with the first rejection. I'm not sure why they didn't just nail you for that then.

I think they just don't want it as someone will bitch that a backlit one got by them. :mad: Just the way it is.

JimThias 09-11-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mgoldman (Post 170041)
Pffft..... How do you walk a straight line in this world?

To my eyes, there is a strange visual tension being created by the leaning train. Once I got past that, I noticed the structure in the background leaning badly to the right, consistent with the way the train is leaning.

That tension is the same thing I experience when I see a picture frame hanging unlevel on a wall. It gives me an irritable twitch.

:lol:

Chris Z 09-11-2013 01:31 PM

There is also a lot of sensor dust spots in the sky visible in Mitch's version.

Chris

Hatchetman 09-11-2013 01:39 PM

the only thing wrong initially was unlevel. that would make a great calendar shot.

bigbassloyd 09-11-2013 01:42 PM

I guess I'm special, because I can see how unlevel the shot is (and don't give me that center of the frame BS. We take a full frame, make sure the frame is correct throughout!) Not to mention the center of the frame here isn't level, either :). That would be the only correction I'd make to it.

Loyd L.

Sean Mathews 09-11-2013 01:46 PM

Still working on it, and again taking all the suggestions to heart and working on it.

The sensor spots show up the more it is processed, so they are like little fires that sprout up and I put out. I have one in the pipeline right now. Ill see what they say and go from there.

Not giving up. I mean, for historical and archival purposes.... IT'S CHESSIE. I mean this is the heritage of all heritage engines. I thought they no longer existed.

Mgoldman 09-11-2013 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 170049)
I guess I'm special, because I can see how unlevel the shot is (and don't give me that center of the frame BS. We take a full frame, make sure the frame is correct throughout!) Not to mention the center of the frame here isn't level, either :). That would be the only correction I'd make to it.

Loyd L.


So you and Jim would CCW tip it to level out the center blog of what might be a structure? At 0.2 degrees CCW I had to hold onto my pens on the desk to keep them from rolling off. The train looked like it was going downhill and leaning on the inner wheels - not to mention the vertical tree in the right rear looking like it was about to fall. At .1 degree CCW, I felt the tension Jim mentioned - still seemed off. Left as is, seemed best bet to me.

Are we talking about a CCW correction in the neighborhood of 0.01 to a whole tenth of a degree? Or do we simply advise Sean to fix the lean of a leaning structure in the center as all else looks good to me.

/Mitch

tytrain 09-11-2013 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Mathews (Post 170050)
Not giving up. I mean, for historical and archival purposes.... IT'S CHESSIE. I mean this is the heritage of all heritage engines. I thought they no longer existed.

I think that technically this engine has been restored/repainted (based on RRPA photos) - it's part of the Potomac Eagle Scenic Railway, which runs on South Branch tracks, and your photo confirms it's used in freight service as well. Which is pretty darn cool. (this was all from quick googling so someone correct me if I'm wrong).

The Chesapeake & Indiana RR in Indiana also has a Chessie engine in active freight service. I made a trip to Malden just to see the engine, where it's normally parked in full view next to a grain elevator. That day, they'd parked it behind tons of trees a town over in La Crosse. I still took a "bigfoot" style picture of it, as like you I was elated to see Chessie in person on a freight RR. Congrats on the find and amazing photo!

Anyone know of any others?

Sean Mathews 09-11-2013 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tytrain (Post 170052)
I think that technically this engine has been restored/repainted (based on RRPA photos) - it's part of the Potomac Eagle Scenic Railway, which runs on South Branch tracks, and your photo confirms it's used in freight service as well. Which is pretty darn cool. (this was all from quick googling so someone correct me if I'm wrong).

The Chesapeake & Indiana RR in Indiana also has a Chessie engine in active freight service. I made a trip to Malden just to see the engine, where it's normally parked in full view next to a grain elevator. That day, they'd parked it behind tons of trees a town over in La Crosse. I still took a "bigfoot" style picture of it, as like you I was elated to see Chessie in person on a freight RR. Congrats on the find and amazing photo!

Anyone know of any others?

Bigfoot. I like that. I did see something regarding this engine as a scenic special back in 2006. But like you said, being in revenue freight service indeed is pretty darn cool. I am happy everyone likes the photo. As I said, not going to give up on it. It will get in.....

bigbassloyd 09-11-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mgoldman (Post 170051)
So you and Jim would CCW tip it to level out the center blog of what might be a structure? At 0.2 degrees CCW I had to hold onto my pens on the desk to keep them from rolling off. The train looked like it was going downhill and leaning on the inner wheels - not to mention the vertical tree in the right rear looking like it was about to fall. At .1 degree CCW, I felt the tension Jim mentioned - still seemed off. Left as is, seemed best bet to me.

Are we talking about a CCW correction in the neighborhood of 0.01 to a whole tenth of a degree? Or do we simply advise Sean to fix the lean of a leaning structure in the center as all else looks good to me.

/Mitch

Turning the entire image one way or the other is not the only way to level it. :)

Loyd L.

troy12n 09-11-2013 03:50 PM

I dont know if you shot this raw or jpeg, but the sky is ugly. Really "jpeg gradient" ugly, especially in the upper right. The lighting is not "typical RP", of course it is backlit, but in this instance it adds to the photo IMHO. I think the shot can, probably should get on, with a little work.

Sean Mathews 09-11-2013 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 170055)
I dont know if you shot this raw or jpeg, but the sky is ugly. Really "jpeg gradient" ugly, especially in the upper right. The lighting is not "typical RP", of course it is backlit, but in this instance it adds to the photo IMHO. I think the shot can, probably should get on, with a little work.

It was shot in raw. Again, these are technical challenges from the angle of the sun. And every time I reprocess to the screeners comments, It degrades. The most recent photo I have in the queue has been started over, so the sky should be a little better. I will go from there.

Mr. Pick 09-11-2013 04:24 PM

I love it! Hope it gets in, but if not, hope you put it on flickr where I can favorite it there and enjoy it again.

Mgoldman 09-11-2013 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbassloyd (Post 170054)
Turning the entire image one way or the other is not the only way to level it. :)

Loyd L.

I know that - but in this instance, it does not appear to be perspective and to that end, I'd say it's beyond nit picking.

/Mitch

CSX1702 09-11-2013 05:10 PM

[photoid=450858]

Here's how it looks on RP if anybody's interested.

Sean Mathews 09-11-2013 05:13 PM

Thank goodness. I think toning the sky down helped a lot in getting it accepted. Nice photo to get number 25 with.

Thank you everyone for your help. You all really went a long way helping me.

CSX1702 09-11-2013 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Mathews (Post 170062)
Thank goodness. I think toning the sky down helped a lot in getting it accepted. Nice photo to get number 25 with.

Thank you everyone for your help. You all really went a long way helping me.

It's a really nice pic. Would've been nice if it would've game through in better sun though.

Sean Mathews 09-11-2013 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSX1702 (Post 170063)
It's a really nice pic. Would've been nice if it would've game through in better sun though.

I know.... But, like I said, it was by chance I even saw it. I think that if the sun had been up any more It probably would have been unusable, and the mist in the background would have burned off making it just another high sun angle photo. It was very humid. My camera and astronomy equipment was soaked at around 10pm the prior night.

CSX1702 09-11-2013 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Mathews (Post 170064)
I know.... But, like I said, it was by chance I even saw it. I think that if the sun had been up any more It probably would have been unusable, and the mist in the background would have burned off making it just another high sun angle photo. It was very humid. My camera and astronomy equipment was soaked at around 10pm the prior night.

You did great for what you had though.

Sean Mathews 09-11-2013 05:58 PM

Thanks! I really appreciate it. RP has been a constant and steep learning curve.

troy12n 09-11-2013 06:11 PM

Sky looks a LOT better in the accepted version. Glad it got on. Looks like it could have been taken any time from the early 70's through the mid-late 90's.

Sean Mathews 09-11-2013 06:19 PM

Thanks! Sadly, I just realized after looking at the site I could have saved myself a lot of time and just taken a photo of a door. I'd probably have a PC under my belt too. :roll:

Joe the Photog 09-11-2013 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSX1702 (Post 170060)
[photoid=450858]

Here's how it looks on RP if anybody's interested.

It should have been rejected for Bad Info.

JimThias 09-11-2013 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Mathews (Post 170056)
It was shot in raw. Again, these are technical challenges from the angle of the sun. And every time I reprocess to the screeners comments, It degrades.

Can you explain this? Are you actually reprocessing the formerly processed image, or are you starting over from the original file each time (like you probably should to avoid that degradation)?

JimThias 09-11-2013 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mgoldman (Post 170041)
PS - I rotated it .01 CCW and that looked crooked.
In other words, looks good to me as is.
The verticals on the centered Chessie cab look PERFECT.

Maybe Jim can chime in on which blades of grass were not
perpendicular to the ground?

.8 CCW and it started to look better. :-P

JRMDC 09-12-2013 12:21 AM

Agree on the CCW, I noticed it right away. Mitch can't always be right. :)

Glad it's on. Go into the editing feature and change "B&O 6340" to "BO 6240" as RP chokes on the ampersand and the shot will never appear in a search.

It isn't conventional to identify the 2nd locomotive instead of the leader, but I have no argument that says one should do it differently.

Mgoldman 09-12-2013 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRMDC (Post 170083)
Agree on the CCW, I noticed it right away. Mitch can't always be right. :)

Glad it's on. Go into the editing feature and change "B&O 6340" to "BO 6240" as RP chokes on the ampersand and the shot will never appear in a search.

It isn't conventional to identify the 2nd locomotive instead of the leader, but I have no argument that says one should do it differently.

Why is RP even accepting "&" in the data field? Refuse once, and you never have to worry about it again. I've fixed a bunch for others already...

As for .8 degrees (not even a full percent of a single degree) - was it turned? I can't tell. The "structure" is still leaning and Loyd was the one that said tipping left or right /CCW or CW was not the issue.

/Mitch

PS - I think the engines popped a bit better in my edit - Sean, did you try (do you have PS) adjusting the clipping as noted? Engines seem just a bit dark and less then crisp in the accepted version, though the sky seems more accurate.

nikos1 09-12-2013 05:17 AM

Real Chessie :D
[photoid=366657]
[photoid=332476]
[photoid=332757]

Mgoldman 09-12-2013 05:36 AM

REAL CHESSIE :D :D

[photoid=174492]
[photoid=352843]
[photoid=408218]

/Mitch


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