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oltmannd 08-17-2012 03:31 PM

Success and Failure
 
Fail:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...05&key=1076096

Success:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...=406411&nseq=8

I would have bet on the opposite. The wedgie gets in (in hindsight, I should have boosted the saturation a bit and toned down the blue, though). The somewhat more dramatic shot fails - for under exposed. The histogram looks OK - I think it's really the shadows on the RH side that got it rejected.

Any thoughts?

Joe the Photog 08-17-2012 04:08 PM

I could have seen both of them getting in actually, but I certainly see why the one that got in did get in. It's the better of the two. I do think the rejected one is pretty dramatic. Thanks for sharing!

Mgoldman 08-17-2012 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by oltmannd (Post 158771)
I would have bet on the opposite. The wedgie gets in (in hindsight, I should have boosted the saturation a bit and toned down the blue, though). The somewhat more dramatic shot fails - for under exposed. The histogram looks OK - I think it's really the shadows on the RH side that got it rejected.

Any thoughts?

First off - and seemingly obvious by now, is that the RP crop monster thrives on centered subjects. It's nearly automatic.

As for underexposed - Looks properly exposed to me - can't have the numberboards any whiter. Two ways around RP's underexposed are a) simply brighten the image - sometimes it's more about the way it looks then whether or not it truly is underexposed. b) If you have a shadows and highlights adjustment, or even the center slider in levels, then bring back some of the detail in the shadows.

As for the first image - you can always resubmit a re-edited image. Feature is under "members; re-submit photos".

/Mitch

oltmannd 08-17-2012 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mgoldman (Post 158774)
First off - and seemingly obvious by now, is that the RP crop monster thrives on centered subjects. It's nearly automatic.

As for underexposed - Looks properly exposed to me - can't have the numberboards any whiter. Two ways around RP's underexposed are a) simply brighten the image - sometimes it's more about the way it looks then whether or not it truly is underexposed. b) If you have a shadows and highlights adjustment, or even the center slider in levels, then bring back some of the detail in the shadows.

As for the first image - you can always resubmit a re-edited image. Feature is under "members; re-submit photos".

/Mitch

Thanks, Mitch. I do use the shadows/highlight/levels adjustments to try to tease out detail, but it's balancing act with scanner noise. It's most troublesome with slides I underexposed a half-stop, (on purpose!) to get richer looking transparencies - or wound up underexposed for a variety of other reasons (some reasonable, some just stupid)

I do use the re-submit feature, but mostly for some of the stuff I had originally scanned on a lousy flatbed scanner, years ago. (back when RP took most anything).

That whole cropping thing seems to me to be a matter of taste - so I compose and crop to my taste. Some of these discussion threads on cropping are interesting. You can see exactly who likes what by what they offer up. Some prefer foreground to sky (I like sky). Some like tight RH and LH margins. Some like "big scene - little train". Finally, the shot gets in after multiple tries - probably due to "screener roulette" more than anything and we get the "see, I told you so moment"!

I have a hard time rationalizing cropping any other way just to "get in". Maybe I need to send more directly to Flickr.

oltmannd 08-17-2012 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe the Photog (Post 158773)
I could have seen both of them getting in actually, but I certainly see why the one that got in did get in. It's the better of the two. I do think the rejected one is pretty dramatic. Thanks for sharing!

It's a better photograph, for sure. But, is this "the best railroad photos on the net" or "the best photos that happen to have railroads in them on the net"?


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