RailPictures.Net Forums

RailPictures.Net Forums (http://www.railpictures.net/forums/index.php)
-   U.S. Regional and Short Line Railroad Discussion (http://www.railpictures.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=21)
-   -   More traffic for the Lancaster & Chester (http://www.railpictures.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17168)

ShortlinesUSA 07-02-2014 03:33 AM

More traffic for the Lancaster & Chester
Looks like the Chester end will get even busier with the addition of this major new customer:


The L&C has certainly proved to be a good investment for Gulf & Ohio Railways so far...

Joe the Photog 07-12-2014 05:15 AM

I'm just wondering how much traffic it will generate. I'm not familiar with tire makers, but I believe the Michelin plant near me in Lexington on the NS does not have a spur. Although Giti did make the announcement from the "L&C" room at the Chester county economic development offices.

There is also another chemical plant being built on the L&C that should come online in six months or so, I'm guessing, between Richburg & Circle S. Purported to have two spurs going in. And someone has landed in one of the old Springs warehouses in Fort Lawn and are getting 50 foot box cars! Very neat to see boxes lining the old warehouses again

Joe the Photog 01-23-2015 02:13 AM

Update: Contract for the initial grading work at the Giti Tire plant was recently awarded and they expect work to begin shortly.

Joe the Photog 01-31-2015 04:08 AM

Aside from Giti Tire, the new transfer facility down Hwy. 9 a bit toward Circle S is coming along nicely. A propane facility is also coming to Pleasant Hill (on the old Southern line) that is supposed to be pretty big and there are hints that something else may be rolling soon, too.

Ground breaking on Giti is Feb. 12.

Joe the Photog 01-16-2016 01:30 AM

I'm hearing unconfirmed word that the L&C are getting some SD40-2Ts. I don't know if they're coming from the Yadkin Valley. I need to hit up a few of my sources, but I'm healing from two more surgeries and am taking it easy. I was told the power would be there pretty soon.

Giti Tire is evidently coming along fast. One estimate has 1500 people working to get it built. The last time I was in Richburg, you can't see anything from public roads for the trees. One report I saw says they hope to be open for business by the end of this year.

There's also a new industry clearing land near the CSX interchange and possibly another one coming near Circle S. I'll try to find more information on both of these.

ShortlinesUSA 01-16-2016 04:19 AM

Good info, Joe, and thank you for posting during your recovery (and hope you're doing well!).

I have heard G&O has a pair of 6-axles to send to the L&C, but I'm just not sure what. Unless the YVRR's traffic has really fallen off, they don't have much to send to the L&C. Their 6-sxles power the road freights, while a handful of 4-axles handle the locals.

I guess we'll see soon enough.

Joe the Photog 02-29-2016 10:03 PM

It turns out my guess was partially right. L&C SD40-2T #6002 was photographed in Knoxville recently and shared to Facebook today. It is sporting fresh L&C blue with complete decals. But this is where it gets crazy. It's coupled to another unit also in fresh L&C paint, L&C C40-8S #9146. (That doesn't even look right as I type it.) it's the former UP 9146. The S indicates it's a slug unit, but I hear all of the insides are intact.

Word is there is at least one more SD40-2 coming. Strange days indeed

ShortlinesUSA 03-01-2016 08:49 PM

That is certainly an interesting duo, no doubt. I can't help but wonder if something else is in play with this larger power. How is traffic on the NS line between Charlotte and Columbia via Rock Hill? Is this something NS could divert 337/338 away from via Spartanburg? WARNING: I did take Nyquil last night, and may still be a bit loopy....

Joe the Photog 03-03-2016 04:59 AM

I think it's odd they'd get six axle power. Giti Tire is around the 13 mile marker going off the top of my head. Circle S is at MM17, not far from Chester. They probably would not take them on the Kershaw Branch. I could have seen some of the Canadian National type GP40-2s like the Yadkin Valley uses.

The NS R line sees the same trains as they have for years with some Wateree coal trains and Augusta ethanol trains thrown in. NS could theoretically move 337/338 to the W line, but that line is actually seeing more trains now.

So even though I didn't take NyQuil, I did take two Percocets, so keep that in mind as you read this. I don't know how busy Giti Tire will be railroad wise. But since the railroad sold them the most prized piece of real estate on the line, I assume it will be a big customer. One article I read said they would use containers to import and export out of Charleston which leads us to the possibility of intermodal on the L&C.

So it occurred to me that NS might let the L&C bring the cars to Rock Hill. Chester can already get crowded already and the locals like to complain. But of course you don't need six axle power to get to Rock Hill.

So then I thought, What if the L&C takes them to Columbia instead of Rock Hill? Now that could be interesting.

Then I also wondered if It might be of interest to both railroads to let the L&C get into Rock Hill via the SB line for the Kershaw traffic.

Oh, well. Enough speculation. We'll know soon enough. The new power should be here soon and I understand it'll be used starting off taking grain trains to Circle S

Joe the Photog 04-05-2016 08:16 PM

I was told by a reliable source that the 9146 and 6002 should have left Knoxville this past Sunday, but no one has seen them along the S Line or R Line or the yards along the way. I don't know if they will suddenly pop up in Chester her shortly or if we'll find out they never left Knoxville. Selfishly, I'm hoping they are delayed until May so I can shoot them first.

ShortlinesUSA 04-06-2016 12:53 PM

That is not out of the realm of reality when Class 1 railroads are shipping shortline locomotives...

ShortlinesUSA 04-06-2016 04:38 PM

Joe, L&C 94 was spotted yesterday on Q603-05 through Folkston, GA. Any idea where that one is off to?

Joe the Photog 04-07-2016 01:46 AM

It's been sold to the Florida Central. That leaves them with just the three SW900s. 92 is OOS, and 91 is still at Circle S leaving 90 in regular service. Although they do have a G&O SW1500.

And it turns out the 6002 and 9146 are still at KLW in Knoxville

ShortlinesUSA 04-07-2016 12:26 PM

Good info, Joe. With that tidbit, I was also able to determine KLW is getting Florida Central CF7 63 in return. It will likely be some sort of rebuild fodder.

troy12n 04-08-2016 08:50 PM

Just a heads up, those Florida Central CF7's are worn out, good luck with that.

I dont know why Florida Central wants a switcher, who knows what they are up to, but their GP9's and GP18's more than handle the little traffic they get. All their CF7's are junk though, mostly stored too.

Joe the Photog 04-08-2016 09:03 PM

I'm sure the CF7 frame is mostly what they want to build one of their green locomotives.

Joe the Photog 05-20-2016 09:00 PM

Unofficially, this is what I have seen on the L&C since my return to Lancaster -- GPs 2829, 3820 and 3821 are assigned to the Lancaster trai

GPs 2273, 2268 and 2866 are assigned to the Chester train

Knoxville & Holston River SW1500 2242 is assigned to the wye when it runs. I've seen them use 2866 here, too. This one is in G&O black

SW900 90 is in the shop and may soon be shipped out to another G&O road. SW900 91 remains leased to Circle S and SW900 92 is stored OOS in Lancaster

The L&C SD40-2T 6002 and C40-8S 9146 are still in Knoxville. There's another six axle power said to be coming after the 6002 and 9146.

ShortlinesUSA 05-28-2016 02:25 PM

Good run down, Joe. 6002/9146 should have left Knoxville yesterday.

Joe the Photog 05-31-2016 03:22 AM

Thanks, Mike. They were dropped off in Chester by NS 337 today. My son and I caught them there as well as coming through Rock Hill

ShortlinesUSA 05-31-2016 07:16 PM

That might be a new record for quickest delivery of a shortline locomotive by a Class 1 ever...

Joe the Photog 06-03-2016 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by ShortlinesUSA (Post 188580)
That might be a new record for quickest delivery of a shortline locomotive by a Class 1 ever...

I was thinking along the same lines. The irony is that they may not be used for a while as the railroad does some work to get the track ready.

Joe the Photog 06-08-2016 09:10 PM

Upon delivery by NS 337


And then two shots by Reginald McDowell after they were moved later that week


Joe the Photog 11-23-2016 05:04 PM

I learned after it ran that the L&C moved a grain train to Circle S using run through NS power last week. It was three big wide cab NS GEs units along with the new six axle power the L&C has. I'm waiting for another grain train to see if they do this again and hoping I get a heads up this time!

They're now using former NPBL #2369, an MP15DC, that was bought at the recent auction by the G&O. And they're replacing a lot of ties on the original line past Circle S to Lancaster. Has me wondering if there is something in the works. Haven't seen any work on the SB Line, but I may be missing it. I plan a recon trip down to Kershaw to look for any signs of work.

It may be simply they are working on the part of the line that sees the propane cars going down to Pleasant Hill.

ShortlinesUSA 11-25-2016 08:33 PM

Thanks for the report, Joe. This is a trend with unit trains delivered to shortlines-- keep the Class 1 power. It would otherwise sit at the junction or run light back to a nearby terminal, so it does make sense to just keep it with the train. Most of the Class 1s have a stipulation on how quickly the shortline must turn the train around, as well. Some even deliver the train with all power on the head end and require the shortline to set up the power in DPU for the outbound train.

Good to hear things are humming along on the L&C. You have posted some nice shots of the operation recently, too.

Joe the Photog 05-18-2017 04:17 AM

The Giti Tire is hiring a lot of people. It's located on a tract of land where it cannot be seen from the road. One of these days, I'll drive down to see what I can see, although I suspect that won't be much railroad wise. The railroad would come up from the other side of the plant and my understanding is the Phase 1 was always planned to open without railroad access.

With that said, a new company has moved into an old textile mill in Lancaster. MAKROchem, a supplier of carbon black for the rubber and tire industry, is investing $7.5 million in its first U.S. distribution facility, creating 20 jobs in Lancaster. I went by this past weekend and saw three new spurs going in. They will ship cars out to Giti Tire, but it's possible some will ship offline, too. Nice to see Lancaster getting some new rail business. First was the propane facility in Pleasent Hill.

ShortlinesUSA 05-19-2017 06:20 PM

Good update, Joe. Sounds like things are going from busy to busier.

Joe the Photog 05-25-2017 04:26 AM

I remember us talking about whether they might send a few wide nose GP40s to the L&C when the G&O bought them out. Well, it took a few years, but we have our answer to that question --


This one replaces L&C 2273 which has been sent back to Knoxville and will eventually be sent to a new home in Texas. Reportedly there is another Yadkin Valley unit coming soon. There are no plans to repaint them blue

Joe the Photog 05-28-2017 12:29 AM

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4201/3...8c4737e6_z.jpgL&C GP40-2LW #9548 by Joe Hinson, on Flickr

I will have to wait a few day before getting an RP-worthy shot of the now-L&C 9548. In the meantime, there is this. They discarded the G&O wings on each side of the cab, but them on the front and back of the logo. Also gone is the YVRR logo that was on the cab side and the YVRR-lettering. They applied the Springmaid logo to both sides of the cab as well as Lancaster & Chester RR. Lastly, the touched up the black paint on the cab where the CN red was coming through as well as repainting the numbers on this side of the long hood. The numbers on the other side have held up pretty well.

ShortlinesUSA 05-29-2017 05:55 PM

This view is most appreciated, Joe. Thanks for posting it here. Good to see the L&C/G&O took the effort to even do anything with this unit, as so many of the shortline holding companies would not have even re-lettered or retouched one square inch of this unit. A company whose name rhymes with OmniTrax comes to mind, for example... ;-p

Joe the Photog 05-31-2017 06:49 PM

I kinda like the opposing logos. I think I might be in the railfan minority on that though.

Joe the Photog 07-31-2019 09:41 PM

Might as well update on this post... the L&C got an 8 million dollar grant to upgrade their traffic from Chester down to Kershaw for heavier cars including the original bridge on their own line and to also buy three new locomotives. They seem to be awash in new to them power. They just got former YVRR #7092 which I believe is former BN SD40-2, same number. They also acquired four ex-CSX SD60s (maybe 60Ms, I can't remember right now) which were built for Conrail. I don't believe any of these ex-CSX motors have been put to work yet. (The Yadkin Valley also got a few which are working for them now.) The L&C SD60s are

ex-CSX 8770, 8778, 8782 and 9784

ShortlinesUSA 08-07-2019 02:46 AM

Good update, Joe. All of those ex-CSX units are SD60Ms.

Joe the Photog 11-24-2019 08:55 PM

Longtime L&C Railway president Steve Gedney passed away this past Friday at age 76 from complication due to cancer. Mr. Gedney is creditted with making the L&C what it is today in many ways. Consider this. When he came to the L&C in 1989, the Springmaid Line was a quaint little line still mostly beholden to their textile owner, Springs Mills. They had a roster which consisted of only three EMD SW900s and ran one trin a day M-F.

Gedney once told me the wheels of change were underway on the L&C when he got here, but he took the drivers seat in a lot of ways. The first big change to the L&C was getting Circle S Feed Mills to build on their line. They bought four SW1200s and two SW1500s and leased three more end cabs to handle traffic. I routinely shot five and six end cab lash ups and I know they ran eight of them on a train once that I missed.

Next came the acquisition of the former Southern Railway line that connected to the L&C at Lancaster. It was the first increase in route mileage for the L&C in their then 105 year history. Shortly thereafter, they began acquiring GP38 type locomotives.

Gedney stayed on at the L&C after the railroad was bought by the Gulf & Ohio in 2010. The link below from the Lancaster News details that a little more. He was creditted with helping the counties of Lancaster and Chester through his work at the L&C.


Joe the Photog 04-06-2020 07:30 PM

Latest motive power news is they got an SD40-2 from the Yadkin Valley, #7092, which is believed to be former BN, same number, sans dynamic brakes. It is painted black and still has the YVRR lettering and logo. This one is supposed to get L&C lettering soon. The number is on the cab and not the long hood which makes me wonder where the L&C lettering will be.

It has taken them some time to get the ex-Con SD60s operating and right now, I believe the 8782 is the only one running. It is still is CSX bue and gold, but they have patched over all CSX lettering. I have only seen pictures of it, not in person, and I don't believe it has any L&C lettering. I have heard all kinds of rumors about what paint these four might get. The story is different depending on who you talk to. I tell the folks who tell me to just send me a pic of it out of the paint booth.

When they came online, I said the cheap way to go would be to paint everything that is gold now white and leave everything else blue, put the lettering and Springmaid on the long hood and you could even put the G&O wings on the nose. But I'm just a railfan, LOL

They also have another slug, though I am not sure they have used it yet. It was painted black in Knoxville. I like the old style L&C logo

https://live.staticflickr.com/7891/4...3aa359240a.jpgLancaster & Chester RR #52 Jeremy Wright by Joe the Photog, on Flickr

L&C #52 was built in 1969 as Houston Belt & Terminal SW1500 #52. It was then sold to the Gulf & Ohio's Atlantic and Gulf Railroad as AGFL 52, then to Conecuh Valley Railroad (COEH 52). It must have sat around a long time as the last photograph I can find of it (so far) is from 2006 until Jeremy Wright shot this one last December.

JEREMY WRIGHT PHOTO, used with permission by me.

ShortlinesUSA 04-15-2020 10:53 PM

Your updates are always appreciated, Joe. I'm helping my mom out for awhile here in Charleston. If the stay at home orders will ever clear up before I have to return to Tennessee, I'd love to make a run up to the L&C. Things have changed a lot, even though I visited just a couple of years ago.

Joe the Photog 04-20-2020 01:19 AM

I hope you and your mom are OK, Mike. With some restrictions being lifted in South Carolina, you should be able to get out and get some photos hike you're in state. You should definitely hit up the Palmetto Railway

ShortlinesUSA 04-22-2020 01:22 PM

All's well, Joe. I think next week will be a good time to start easing back into some railfanning around here. Palmetto is a sharp scheme. I've hit it a few times on previous visits. There is still plenty left that I haven't shot, though.

Joe the Photog 06-18-2020 04:23 PM

So that 8 million dollar grant is being put to work. I never considered this when I heard about the grant, but they are upgrading th former Southern line to take six axle power. No new power that I am aware of, but I suspect most of the GPs are on borrowed time. Part of the upgrade is to pull up the crossing right at the office over Main Str. They are going to build a new track to get to te SB line from between the shops and office which will mean a lot of ground being filled. Interesting times oon the L&C

Oh, those ex-CSX SD6Ms? Going to be painted black from what I hear.

ShortlinesUSA 06-22-2020 01:41 AM

Very interesting news, Joe. I have an idea where you're talking about for that new connection, but what would building that accomplish? Any particular moves that would facilitate?

On a small scale, seems it would eliminate a timely run-around move, but that's something shortlines rarely sink big bucks into. But then again, more often than not there are thousands of ties to replace and bridges that need work on so many of these lines.

Joe the Photog 06-24-2020 12:41 AM

About the only thing I can think it would do is to get off the track a little earlier. Trains have to crawl past the office which brings traffic to a stop once it hits Main and then Market Street. people are always complaining about train traffic through there, but what else is new?

All times are GMT. The time now is 01:18 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.