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John West 11-30-2011 08:06 AM

Slum lighting
 
Is this suitable for RP?

http://www.lifewastedchasingtrains.c...g2_itemId=3410

I like it because the grotty lighting seems to be appropriate for a gritty 19th Century-like industrial slum.

Chris Kilroy 11-30-2011 09:06 AM

I'd accept in a heartbeat; great shot!

Ron Flanary 11-30-2011 01:51 PM

Why are you asking, John.....it's fantastic!!

Hatchetman 11-30-2011 02:11 PM

-poor lighting
-going away shot
-bad angle
-underexposed
-common power
-overexposed

:lol::lol:

JRMDC 11-30-2011 02:16 PM

I'm looking for the unlevel, digging deep, there has to be something wrong with the shot, this is RP and Ron F has taught me it must be so...

Nice!

Mr. Pick 11-30-2011 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Kilroy (Post 146527)
I'd accept in a heartbeat; great shot!

There's your answer, John. Love the shot.

WMHeilman 11-30-2011 03:49 PM

Hell yes, that's an outstanding shot.

John West 11-30-2011 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Kilroy (Post 146527)
I'd accept in a heartbeat; great shot!

Okay, that is a pretty clear response, and appreciated. But my asking reflects my confusion regarding what RP wants these days, because many of the common reasons for rejection could reasonably be applied to this image.
Which probably is just another reaffirmation of the inherent subjectivity of the screening process. But thanks Chris.

Ron Flanary 11-30-2011 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John West (Post 146546)
Okay, that is a pretty clear response, and appreciated. But my asking reflects my confusion regarding what RP wants these days, because many of the common reasons for rejection could reasonably be applied to this image.
Which probably is just another reaffirmation of the inherent subjectivity of the screening process. But thanks Chris.

John....I think you've just made a very important point. Despite all the "standards," and the frequent death spirals and howling over screener decisions, there ain't no "right and wrong" in this stuff-----only the ambiguity of imagery and personal choice. "One man's feast is another man's famine."

John West 11-30-2011 04:47 PM

Looking for more input
 
Last July some friends and I spent a few days in the Black Hills and chased the Black Hills Central that has a neat 2-6-6-2 that years ago I photographed when it hauled logs for Rayonier. My favorite image from the trip was this one:

http://www.lifewastedchasingtrains.c...g2_itemId=3391

which I submitted to RP and it was rejected both initially and on appeal. I can more or less understand why, there are a bunch of issues, but I fell in love with the sky. To me the sky is what made the image interesting.

I could have submitted this one:

http://www.lifewastedchasingtrains.c...g2_itemId=3118

which I'm guessing would have been accepted (wedgie, good lighting, yada, yada, yada....) but I just didn't find it "interesting" enough to get excited about. So it just resides in my personal website as kind of a record shot.

I'm just curious as to how the readers here compare the merits of the two shots. Maybe I'm just out of step with the world.

Hatchetman 11-30-2011 04:54 PM

The first one you might see in a retrospective of a well known artist at an art museum. The second one you might see on RP.net.

Andrew Blaszczyk (2) 11-30-2011 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John West (Post 146546)
But my asking reflects my confusion regarding <i>what RP wants these days</i>, because many of the common reasons for rejection could reasonably be applied to this image.

Please keep in mind, John...er...Mr. West, that I have recently spent no less than an hour and a half perusing your website shaking my head continuously at all the unbelievably amazing photos you have taken in your life. That being said.

Ughhhhhhhhhhh!

I am merely a contributor to RP these days but I feel as if I'm defending it on a weekly basis in some way. RP doesn't "want" anything; they never have. There are no laws (other than copyright and excessive Photoshopping) to what can and cannot be uploaded just <b>guidelines</b>. Most if not all the photos accepted can have at least one rejection reason applied but that doesn't mean its guaranteed that way.

<b>For all:</b> There is emotion and feeling involved in the screening process which I was lucky enough to be one of the few to experience. When you get drawn into a scene such as the photo above, the easily applicable rejections reasons get tossed aside because there is more to it than just the train.

So what is RP looking for these days? They want railroad photos. Plain and simple. What kind? All kinds. On a sunny day? Not necessarily. But I've had one rejected that I took on a cloudy day. Revisit that photo in a day or two and see if you can see where they are coming from. Did it lack the emotion or power necessary to ignore the "poor" weather? If you are having a hard time distancing yourself from your own work then ask a neutral figure or a brutally honest friend (as was and is done here).

I've shown friends whom I trust to give me honest feedback about shots that I LOVE and once in a while, I'll get a "meh" it's okay but you have better. Think of RP screeners in this way as well. If you disagree that strongly, take it to the courts (the forums) and get more feedback rather than expecting a response in an appeal.

Ron Flanary 11-30-2011 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John West (Post 146551)
Last July some friends and I spent a few days in the Black Hills and chased the Black Hills Central that has a neat 2-6-6-2 that years ago I photographed when it hauled logs for Rayonier. My favorite image from the trip was this one:

http://www.lifewastedchasingtrains.c...g2_itemId=3391

which I submitted to RP and it was rejected both initially and on appeal. I can more or less understand why, there are a bunch of issues, but I fell in love with the sky. To me the sky is what made the image interesting.

I'm really not being a contrarian at all...but I love the image that was rejected. The second one is just a train photo. That's just my opinion, of course----which doesn't count, since I don't make decisions for this site. If I did, there would probably be a national revolt.


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