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jay124 04-18-2013 08:21 PM

Bad cropping help
 
Got nailed for cropping, after looking again I believe that it has to do with right hand side of bridge
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...54&key=8227067
Thanks Jason

jay124 04-19-2013 02:43 AM

Tried a different pic this one is a little further back and got nailed for cropping again. What am I missing?
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...51&key=7628722
Jason

Missabefan 04-19-2013 02:52 AM

As far as the second one is concerned... you have a square crop with the lead unit centered top to bottom.

Add some to the left if you can and crop the bottom up to the rail. Maybe take some off the top as well.

Show more of the buildings on the left and use the second version with the guy on the bridge looking at the train vs. just walking.

Hope this helps.

cblaz 04-19-2013 05:11 AM

I agree with Todd. Use the second shot and if you can't add any on the left like he said, just trim the bottom. I know why you cropped the top like you did, to keep the telephone pole whole, but I can't decide if it's better to trim it down or not.

- Chris

Holloran Grade 04-19-2013 05:44 AM

You' re probably going to get dinged for that shadow on the side of the train.

Your on the right side, but the sun angle is just wrong and you have all those shadows.

Forget the crop, use another picture at another spot, or a different time of day.:)

cblaz 04-20-2013 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holloran Grade (Post 165554)
Your probably going to get dinged for that shadow on the side of the train.

Your on the right side, but the sun angle is just wrong and you have all those shadows.

Forget the crop, use another picture at another spot, or a different time of day.:)


This is absolutely terrible advice, regardless of the stupid smiley face at the end. First off, it's "you're" not "your" but that's not important right now.

If there's full sun on the nose of the locomotive, and he's doing a tele-smash almost head-on shot, how is the sun angle just wrong if you can barely see the sides of the locos? And the secondary subjects of the scene, the bridge and the building, have plenty of sun on them too. It doesn't seem like the fully-lit noses and slightly shadowed sides stopped these shots from getting accepted:
[photoid=311284]
[photoid=353501]
Basically, you're advising him to go shoot a perfectly 3/4-lit wedgie at some other nondescript spot, to add to the plethora of mindless shots already on RP. So, how come you didn't do that on the above shots?

- Chris

Holloran Grade 04-20-2013 03:03 PM

Well Chris, if he gets it accepted, then I will attempt to answer that question.

Until then, I think it is a comparison between apples and oranges.

BTW - No smiling face for you.

kszok 04-20-2013 03:23 PM

I like the first image, but it doesn't work with today's "screening standards."

The two El Roco images that Chris used to counter HG's advice were accept with different "screening standards." I have images in the data base that most likely would not be accepted according to the "screening standards" being used at this time.

Holloran Grade 04-20-2013 10:12 PM

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Try this - rotate CCW (I rotated too far) to even the left side of the cab with the left side of the frame and crop as so.

I still think the shadow may be a problem ON THIS ONE, but Chris has great faith in the screeners (and its doesn't look bad to me).

If you have an HDR program, you could reduce those shadows and it would look much better.

NS engines and tea kettles are hard to photograph compared to others because the black sucks up so much light.

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jay124 04-26-2013 05:21 PM

Well I finally had some time and got back to it. I went with the second one made it wider and took some off the topand bottom like Todd suggested.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...433788&nseq=14
It worked thank you. Holloran I looked at the 1st again and at that angle I think the shadows maybe a problem, I still like it with the units closer, and am happy with the overall image. it may not be good here but don't have any issues with that.
Everyone I get on is still a pleasent surprise.
Thanks again everyone
Jason

magicman_841 04-26-2013 06:58 PM

Looking good!

Next time, get on that bridge in the background!

Holloran Grade 04-26-2013 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay124 (Post 165871)
.....It worked thank you. Holloran I looked at the 1st again and at that angle I think the shadows maybe a problem, I still like it with the units closer, and am happy with the overall image.

My issue with the close one was that the shadow was large and right in the center of the photo.

The light in that and the one that they took was not optimal, but the panned away shot minimized the shadow and moved it from the center.

Look at the rail heads in your photo, do you see the shadow coming down from the top of the rail?

When the light is really good, that shadow will be small or almost non-existent.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8374/8...12678a24_z.jpg
Amtrak Train No. 3 at Ken's Crossing by El Roco Photography, on Flickr



http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8521/8...80cee2a3_z.jpg
Twilight at East Cadiz by El Roco Photography, on Flickr

That is a helpful gauge that you can see from your car on the highway and you can move to another spot where the rail shadow is less.


Course, it was not at all helpful that the leader was an NS unit because the black paint accentuated the problem.


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