Old 06-10-2008, 05:53 PM   #1
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I ws shocked to see this photo in the database, it being so off-color. The BCR unit looks a bit yellow, and last time I checked, fresh ballast was grey!
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Old 06-10-2008, 06:12 PM   #2
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If you are talking about the engine behind CN 2276 it looks white to me. Red White and Blue actually.
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Old 06-10-2008, 06:23 PM   #3
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I don't see anything wired about the color, looks normal to me too
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There must be something wrong with the color temperature in your screen
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Old 06-10-2008, 08:19 PM   #5
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When I saw that photo, I thought, "cool scene--fresh ballast on the right, derelict track on the left."

I didn't think to get annoyed by the color.
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Looked a bit off to me too, so I did a white balance edit, and it does look alot better

here's the edited version I did, with a knock to the image quality:

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It's probably just a new engine. The colors surrounding it are not as bright as the red. Or he did enhance it using a selected area cutting tool.
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I ws shocked to see this photo in the database, it being so off-color.
Funny... I thought the same thing when I first saw that Morant's Curve shot with the fake color.
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Funny... I thought the same thing when I first saw that Morant's Curve shot with the fake color.
I thought the same, then I said to myself... RP accepted it didn't they? so what could possibly be wrong with it!
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The accepted shot appears to have more of a 'warm' tone whilst the edited shot appears to have more of a 'cool' tone. Personally, I prefer the cool tone in this instance.
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Funny... I thought the same thing when I first saw that Morant's Curve shot with the fake color.
That's the award winner right there...we know who didn't screen that shot!

BTW, is the new protocol now to pick shots out of the database and question why they were accepted?
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BTW, is the new protocol now to pick shots out of the database and question why they were accepted?
Once in a while, I'll see a shot that I personally think doesn't look right, or looks worse than a recent reject of mine....and I grumble to myself like everyone else. But to drag a photo out and take shots at it in a public forum....not sure that makes me or anyone else a better photographer. And from my personal standpoint, I think improving one's skills is one of biggest selling points of this site.
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But to drag a photo out and take shots at it in a public forum....not sure that makes me or anyone else a better photographer. And from my personal standpoint, I think improving one's skills is one of biggest selling points of this site.
Well, to take a photo and discuss it in public, thus taking one's own personal view and comparing it to that of others, I think that is a huge contribution to improving one's skills. The whole point is that you get to see the views of others and rethink your own, and the same with them. The line between discussion and "taking shots" can be thin, and can in part be spanned by discussion in a respectful manner.

For the same reason I generally support seeing posts where people compare their own rejection to an accepted shot. Is there a clearer method of showing how their shot differs from one that has been accepted? Instead of a bunch of words, one simply says "ok, here is yours, here is the one you think is just like yours, here is how yours is not up to snuff and that one is."

The only issue here is that some people may not want their shot discussed. I'm torn about that - if the shot has been made public, why can't it be discussed? At the same time, how much respect does one show the shooter; does one leave them alone? Ultimately it comes down to what "residual rights" a person has to the use of the shot after it has been posted.

In my blog I hope to do more critical discussions of shots, more discussion of where a shot falls short, but I will never do so without approval of the shooter. But what the standard should be here in the RP forums, can't say and don't know who gets to say.
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Old 06-11-2008, 04:52 PM   #14
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My first thought looking at that shot: a mainly cloudy shot that the photog saturated to try to make it look more sunny. And they didn't do a very good job of it. Sometimes this method works (more often in B&W), sometimes it doesn't...
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The only issue here is that some people may not want their shot discussed. I'm torn about that - if the shot has been made public, why can't it be discussed? At the same time, how much respect does one show the shooter; does one leave them alone? Ultimately it comes down to what "residual rights" a person has to the use of the shot after it has been posted.
This is at the heart of what I was trying to say in the post above. We can definitely all learn from the discussion about the merits or problems associated with a particular photo. I'm just more comfortable when the photographer him/herself asks for opinions, or is at least present on the forum to defend how they did things....or perhaps agree with the critiques. But that's just me. While it is certainly true that anyone who posts anything on the internet is leaving themselves open for public critique, it could also be argued that a photographer submitting shots here was really looking for a critique from the RP Screeners, and if the shot has already been accepted, the requested critique has been rendered.

It's a tough call. Folks who have established reputations can probably withstand harsh criticism easier than relative newbies, who may be easily discouraged. I try to put myself in the position of that poor guy or gal who has buckets of rejects and is still trying to get their first shot in here. For that poor soul, having us all pile on might not be the best environment for him or her to learn.
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Folks who have established reputations can probably withstand harsh criticism easier than relative newbies, who may be easily discouraged. I try to put myself in the position of that poor guy or gal who has buckets of rejects and is still trying to get their first shot in here. For that poor soul, having us all pile on might not be the best environment for him or her to learn.
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Here's a simple answer to the quandry about critiquing other people's shots without their permission: Would you like someone else to do it to you? I believe that the answer is rather obvious.

The most likely reason that someone will "critique" a shot here in the forums is because they don't like it. The Morant's Curve shot and AB2's "fence" shot are two prime examples. JRMDC is doing it the right way on his blog by contacting the photographers first and getting their permission. Also, let's recognize that what we are doing is highly subjective. What looks great to one person, may very well look like garbage to someone else. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
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Here's a simple answer to the quandry about critiquing other people's shots without their permission: Would you like someone else to do it to you? I believe that the answer is rather obvious.

The most likely reason that someone will "critique" a shot here in the forums is because they don't like it. The Morant's Curve shot and AB2's "fence" shot are two prime examples.
::In best Scooby Doo voice:: Whaaaaaaaaaaat? I never had a problem with my photo being singled and picked apart, in fact I wrote Rich a personal thank you message for doing so. The thread had over 1400 hits the last I saw and 4 pages of somewhat useful information. I give everyone the opportunity to critique or criticize my work because I have already made it public so what are a few opinions going to hurt.

I guess there are always going to be two sides of the story:
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2. If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.

I wish there was an option we can check off that says "I, :photographer name:, allow anyone to bring up my photos for positive or negative criticism in the forums.

I like the idea that if you can hack it, you can do it but I'll stick to allowing it and not doing it for now.
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I wish there was an option we can check off that says "I, hotographer name:, allow anyone to bring up my photos for positive or negative criticism in the forums.
There is the signature box!

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Would you like someone else to do it to you? I believe that the answer is rather obvious.
Yes, if justified (and it probably is).
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On my monitor, I see nothing wrong with the picture in question. To me it looks like a good example of a cloudy day shot that should be accepted.
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::In best Scooby Doo voice:: Whaaaaaaaaaaat? I never had a problem with my photo being singled and picked apart, in fact I wrote Rich a personal thank you message for doing so. The thread had over 1400 hits the last I saw and 4 pages of somewhat useful information. I give everyone the opportunity to critique or criticize my work because I have already made it public so what are a few opinions going to hurt.

I guess there are always going to be two sides of the story:
1. Its on a public site in which you can leave comments.
2. If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.

I wish there was an option we can check off that says "I, hotographer name:, allow anyone to bring up my photos for positive or negative criticism in the forums.

I like the idea that if you can hack it, you can do it but I'll stick to allowing it and not doing it for now.
Not everybody is a masochist!

I see your point Andrew, but in this particular case I really don't see what the "critique" achieves . There's no consensus that the photo is too saturated. If this was my photo, my attitude would be: "tough, I like it and it was accepted, so complain all you want I'm not changing anything".

I guess I better lay low for awhile before submitting any more Illinois & Midland shots.
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I think that if a photo is in the public database, then people are welcome to comment. Personally, I do not have a problem with people critiquing my photos. I have read some pretty ripe comments about them on other forums in the past!
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I see your point Andrew, but in this particular case I really don't see what the "critique" achieves.
Exactly. The original post was to question the screening standards of the site...not to help improve the photographer or help anyone "learn." In a case like this, I'd think if you have a problem with a shot that was accepted, e-mail or PM the admin and let them know you're not impressed with a particular shot...
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If we don't pick photo's apart what are we doing here. All the shots are open for critic , thats how we get better!
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