Old 04-18-2011, 11:35 PM   #1
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Default Cloudy: What is Interesting Enough?

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I've received two rejects for cloudy on this shot. I though it was an odd coincidence, and I thought they stood a chance at getting on. However, it looks like I was wrong. What do you think? Are they interesting enough, or is sunny with blue skies the only way to go?

Frankly, this is a tough one to get. The track that the engines are on are used by UP engines only a few times per day by UP engines. Plus, there is no way of knowing how long the AALCO equipment will be there, and if it will be in a good place to compose a photograph. Chances are this coincidence will never happen again.

So, once again, is it worth getting on? Should I appeal, fix, or let it go?

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Old 04-18-2011, 11:53 PM   #2
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Photoshop the first A out.
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Old 04-18-2011, 11:56 PM   #3
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I would let it go.

It is cloudy.

The heavy equipment is seen from the back, which is not that interesting.

The frame seems too tight to me.

If you did want to try again, I would suggest seeing if there is a time when the back hoe (or whatever that is) is either sideways or facing you for your shot.
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Photoshop the first A out.
Forget that. Add fake snow and candyland it. Then you got a winner.
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Forget that. Add fake snow and candyland it. Then you got a winner.
and B&W...
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Old 04-19-2011, 02:58 AM   #7
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Candyland in B&W? Is it possible?
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Reshoot on a sunny day, or at least get darker clouds behind the train.
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I felt the same way on this poor lighting rejection. http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=491081280
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That's high sun, it has nothing to do with clouds.
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The shot as linked leaves the viewer wondering if the focal point of the shot is supposed to be the train or the construction equipment.

Unless this was a never-again opportunity for some reason, it can be re-shot in the sun.
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I felt the same way on this poor lighting rejection. http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=491081280
Um. Thats an EMD SD70ACe, not a GE.

As for the OP, I like it and would appeal, but that's just me.
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Wouldn't High Sun be the opposite of cloudy day?
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With the original shot, it will be nearly impossible for me to redo it. I don't live close to downtown, and without a license I can't go down on weekdays. This weekend is booked, so that is definitely out of the question. The weekend after might work, but who knows. Weather, timing (UP trains don't cross the bridge very often), and if I will be able to get down there or not all play a role. Plus, I don't know if the construction crew will still be there in two weeks (I don't even know what they are doing). So, re-shooting the shot in sunny conditions probably will not happen.

That being said, does it stand a chance, since it cannot easily be replicated?

Nathan, I don't think that angle will work. There is almost lighting on the side of the train.

I have a few other shots, too. The first shot is a cloudy day shot, but I think it might stand a chance. The second shot is a partially cloudy shot, and I don't really know if it will work. The third shot has the train completely backlit, but would the car make up for it?

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0375: Grainy, do you have the color verison?
0441: I like, maybe clone the half signal light out?
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Well it sucks, but I'd save this one for Flickr or RRPA. You might not get the construction in next time, though, but they'll be other opportunities. There will always be sunny opportunities in STL. I was surprised when I visited a few weeks ago of the number of sunny shots I was able to nail in a three hour time span on a sunny morning while downtown.

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Probably not. The "AALCO" lettering is somewhat interesting, but not enough to get this on. Save it for your personal collection.

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I can't see any of these getting on, either. Get better sun for the first. The second doesn't do anything for me either. I can't see the museum shot getting on, as it doesn't have a clear subject. When did you take that shot though? I think I was in the museum at the same time.
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Jim- I took the car shot at 1 p.m. on April 2nd. Were you in town because of the Manufacturers Railway, or did you just come for a quick trip and just happened to luck out?

As for the other two:
1- Like the original shot in this thread, it can't easily be replicated. The sun angles are rarely right when the switchers to pull away from the engine house.
2- I want to go back down in a couple weeks, and I will try this again if I do. I might also see if the excavator is still downtown if I go. I have another shot from that same location, but there isn't much light on the side of the locomotive, so I didn't even bother.
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I was in town on family business for half a week, and I found time to sneak out and do some railfanning around sunrise each day. Of course, the one day I decided to sleep in because it was stormy I missed one of the UP Heritage Units. I would have liked to have seen that. Of course, the Manny in the sun made up for it.

According to my exif data, I was there right around the same time that you were on the 2nd.

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According to TPE, it'd make a great evening shot. I know they work mostly in the mornings now, so I'd just wait for a cloudy day and get the engine outside of the roundhouse.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/4072254...7626274179713/

Well good luck in your hunt for sunny trains in downtown STL. I loved my visit there. So many potential photos downtown.
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I volunteer at the museum, so I was there all morning. Around 1 we left and went to Kirkwood, where I took the picture below. If I would have known you were going to be there I would've said hello.
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I have a few more Manny shots, many of them in sun. I do have a shot of the engine outside of the engine house, and I might play around with that one a bit.

And yes, there are a ton of shots in downtown St. Louis. I've tried to get a few the last few times I've been down there, but I've either struck out with clouds, timing, or boring power (a single AC4400 leading a coal, for example). Luckily, I will have plenty of time to get all of the shots that I want to get!
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I suppose cloudy could also include shots not possible on sunny days.
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Agreed, except I like the third one. Maybe if the steam engine was coming at the camera, it'd be acceptable. Still, not a bad shot.

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What about this one? It has the locomotive coming at the camera, and the lighting is better on the train.
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What about this one? It has the locomotive coming at the camera, and the lighting is better on the train.
Too tight, I think. You have one that shows the entire signal?

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Bad cropping. Unfortunately, I don't have more of the signal, Chase. It is a little tight, but there wasn't much else I could have done. Is it worth an appeal, or should I forget about it?
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