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I'd bet good money that most of the "artsy" photographers have a huge file of mundane shots. I know I do. The difference between "artsy" shooters, and "mundane" shooters, is that the "artsy" guys do not upload the mundane...

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I'd bet good money that most of the "artsy" photographers have a huge file of mundane shots. I know I do. The difference between "artsy" shooters, and "mundane" shooters, is that the "artsy" guys do not upload the mundane...

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This is applicable more generally. The one of the primary differences between "great" photographers and the common folks is the "great" photographers don't show anyone their crummy stuff. In the context of say a railroad slide show it is called editing. Great photographs are usually (but not always) as much luck as skill, so most serious photogs take a LOT of images and hope one or two will make the cut. I've been out with high paid professionals and seen their thousands of crappy images ('cause I was the one paying for them for our company's annual reports). We would hope one or two would be okay. Of course and very importantly, skill and experience CAN seriously affect how much "luck" you have.
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I'd bet good money that most of the "artsy" photographers have a huge file of mundane shots. I know I do. The difference between "artsy" shooters, and "mundane" shooters, is that the "artsy" guys do not upload the mundane...

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I have thousands....and thousands....and thousands, so that's a safe bet. Come on down and I'll give you a few Logan slide boxes of some of the most mundane imagery to ever run through a Kodachrome processor.

Important rule: the best photographers never share their bad stuff. (clue: I've grossly violated that rule, otherwise I'd have 21 shots on RP instead of 2100 something...).
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Come on down and I'll give you a few Logan slide boxes of some of the most mundane imagery to ever run through a Kodachrome processor.
If there was a contest for "mundane", I bet I could give you a good run for the money. Or maybe foreground clutter, poor lighting, backlit, PEQ....you name I got it.
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I have thousands....and thousands....and thousands, so that's a safe bet. Come on down and I'll give you a few Logan slide boxes of some of the most mundane imagery to ever run through a Kodachrome processor.

Important rule: the best photographers never share their bad stuff. (clue: I've grossly violated that rule, otherwise I'd have 21 shots on RP instead of 2100 something...).
I'd be hard pressed to have two photos posted if I followed that rule.
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Ron, I'd love to see a couple boxes of your slides sometime!

Charles, I guess I'm not a mundane shooter, but it's really because I live in WV..

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SO much truth in the past hour or two of this thread.
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If there was a contest for "mundane", I bet I could give you a good run for the money. Or maybe foreground clutter, poor lighting, backlit, PEQ....you name I got it.
Although....(and I'll bet you'll agree on this point)....I'm glad I saved some really bad slides over the years, particularly those over or under exposed or with some similar imperfection. With Photoshop, some (not all, of course) have been pulled back to some level of respectability. Some of those have actually been published, and a few more have been posted on RP. Yesterday's crap was very often today's gold (well, maybe aluminum).

This one taken in 1961 was just awful. It had several small scratches, was color shifted, all kinds of dust specs----just the pits. It was one of the very first color slides I ever took (and I only had the slide because I mistakenly thought it was color print film). I kept it all those years, though.

This first scan---posted to RP---was so-so. I did a better scan and a more thorough job in color correction and clean up with Photoshop---and it ended up as a double page spread in Trains Magazine about three years ago. I would have never guessed that sorry old slide would have made it to "thee" magazine one day.

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I'd bet good money that most of the "artsy" photographers have a huge file of mundane shots. I know I do. The difference between "artsy" shooters, and "mundane" shooters, is that the "artsy" guys do not upload the mundane...

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Loyd,

Disagreed. Isn't than an incredible amount of speculation on your behalf to make the assumption that artsy photographers do not submit the more simple images? I really don't understand your logic there. One of the dumbest statements I've read on this place.

For RP purposes, I think certain photographers have guidelines they set themselves, sure, however, I really like being able to display all of my work and set no personal standards aside from complying with RP's standards. I know a lot of per say, "artsy" photographers on RP who submit on both ends of the spectrum. I just enjoy showcasing all of my work that is suitable for RP. I like to keep it fresh with a little bit of variety, in that I won't consistently submit the same types of compositions without throwing something a little different in there. That's normal, though.

It's very far from accurate to say all artsy photographers only submit creative material.. I sure hope you're kidding.

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Disagreed. Isn't that an incredible amount of speculation on your behalf to make the assumption that artsy photographers do not submit the more simple images? I really don't understand your logic there. One of the dumbest statements I've read on this place.
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I have thousands....and thousands....and thousands, so that's a safe bet. Come on down and I'll give you a few Logan slide boxes of some of the most mundane imagery to ever run through a Kodachrome processor.

Important rule: the best photographers never share their bad stuff. (clue: I've grossly violated that rule, otherwise I'd have 21 shots on RP instead of 2100 something...).
You should at least, if you feel the desire anyway, post them on flickr or something. There are a few local pictures that have hundreds, if not thousands of pictures of my local area, mostly B&W shots of the 50's-80's that are not "RP quality", but are some of the best historical photos.

They would definitely not go unappreciated...
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Disagreed. Isn't than an incredible amount of speculation on your behalf to make the assumption that artsy photographers do not submit the more simple images? I really don't understand your logic there. One of the dumbest statements I've read on this place.
While you didn't address this to me, Chase...I'll have to step in and say, NO, Loyd's statement was far from "dumb." He made an outstanding point.

In truth, there are many "artsy" photographers----or stated differently, those who enjoy more interpretive scenes than the mere photographic documentation of trains. And----virtually all of them shoot at least some of the "mundane"---three quarter, full sun wedgies, roster shots, etc.

Like you, I throw up just about anything to RP I might "like" at the moment. Sometimes it's creative, but most of the time it's just another upload of mechanical artifactual image recordation. It merely demonstrates that I can take a photo that's level and fairly well composed and exposed properly. The world would probably be better off if I didn't upload those kinds of shots.

Frankly----I would be much, much prouder if I only had 40 to 50 absolutely breathtaking train photos on this site rather than the 2100 or something I do now. Achievement in photography is not done through volume, but through quality.
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Well good! Now I don't have to slap Loyd next time I see him.. And pardon me if I'm grumpy, today is my turn to be! Coming off two hours of sleep and only half reading the forums to kill a three hour drive..

Hey Ron, I'm coming through your front yard right now going to Pikeville.

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Chase, please read the information provided by the link Jim provided when you're not busying uploading photos..

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I'm not! Plez is, though.

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Although....(and I'll bet you'll agree on this point)....I'm glad I saved some really bad slides over the years, particularly those over or under exposed or with some similar imperfection. With Photoshop, some (not all, of course) have been pulled back to some level of respectability. Some of those have actually been published, and a few more have been posted on RP. Yesterday's crap was very often today's gold (well, maybe aluminum).

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That hardly qualifies as mundane. Heck it has Alcos. One of the few benefits of growing old is the passage of time alone makes some of our older stuff interesting. And in some case the "mundane" becomes interesting, maybe even gangbusters. And Photoshop can save a lot of stuff that might otherwise be throwaway.

I'll submit this one on my behalf. Talk about foreground clutter. But folks seemed to like it.

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So to sum it all up in one misleading sentence.

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That hardly qualifies as mundane. Heck it has Alcos. One of the few benefits of growing old is the passage of time alone makes some of our older stuff interesting. And in some case the "mundane" becomes interesting, maybe even gangbusters. And Photoshop can save a lot of stuff that might otherwise be throwaway.

I'll submit this one on my behalf. Talk about foreground clutter. But folks seemed to like it.

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What foreground clutter? All I see are some fine looking Alco PAs (and PBs)!

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So to sum it all up in one misleading sentence.

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Actually, it's possible to do both (not that I have...).
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