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1/320th of a second of a train doing trackspeed (60MPH)... Hmmm...
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Maybe, But thats a lot of work for a UP.
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That one reminds me of the shot of the depot that was rejected because the back of the depot was cropped off. And also, wasn't there a shot of an oncoming train that was "photoshopped panned," got all kinds of views and then got pulled from the site?
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Why are some things showing motion blur and others are not? The horn, for example...right above the flag graphic. And if the stationary objects are blurred due to camera movement, why aren't the wheels showing rotational blur?
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Wow. I wasn't even paying attention to the edges of the train. The horn, as Jim pointed out, but also the front of the train. He also doesn't seem to know UP's reporting marks.
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Yeah, I'm not one to call out people's shots, but that's not even close to right.

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This one looks totally photoshopped

The horn, windshield blurred, while other things are very sharp, fake...
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I thought I did a better job with this one with a photo shopped pan. I wouldn't consider submitting it though.

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I thought I did a better job with this one with a photo shopped pan. I wouldn't consider submitting it though.
Maybe better executed, but still fake. Unless UP has brought their turbines out of retirement
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Ugh. I don't....
There are no words.
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That's pretty impressive for having been shot at 1/320 of a second...oh wait a minute, it's just a bad PS job.
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I must admit, as one who takes a fair few pans, it certainly looks faked to me. The front, windscreen edge and the horns on top would not look like that on a pan. The attempt at making it appear as a pan makes it look like it's going forwards and backwards!

Here's a pan at 1/200th and there's only a tiny bit of background blur and I was only about 20ft away from the loco.
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That one, at 1/320th would never look like that.

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I thought it looked a bit peculiar when I first noticed the photograph, but didn't think anything of it, as I'm more or less a novice when it comes to panning/pacing.

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Hmmm so the screeners can determine that my photos are ever so slightly oversharpened but cant pick out a blatantly photoshopped pan? fail.
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Hmmm so the screeners can determine that my photos are ever so slightly oversharpened but cant pick out a blatantly photoshopped pan? fail.
If you had a DSLR, you wouldn't have to worry about oversharpened elements in a photo.

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I am sure it is a pan as advertised, but I suspect the person is in a car on I-5 pacing the train while it is on the Yolo Causeway.

There is really nowhere to stand and do pan shots on the Yolo causeway because you are either on the ROW, or standing on the highway, both of which are illegal.

Your other choice is to stand in the rice field 35 feet below, assuming it is not flooded.
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Adam commented on his own photo --

"For all of those who want to know how this image came out like this with a 1/320 shutter speed. Number one, this train was speeding along at around 70mph when I panned it, two, I used the blur filter to enhance the effect in my editing soft ware. As far as I know that filter is acceptable to use when editing a photo for posting on RP. Thanks for your kind comment."

That seems to be a rather liberal view to the policies as I understand them. Hasn't at least one photog had his shot removed for this? On the other hand, 24 hours after the shot was called out, it's still in the database.
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All I know is I need to start linking images on Altamont press...

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Yes - me too! Almost 1/2 of his views are from there. Wow!
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Adam commented on his own photo --

"For all of those who want to know how this image came out like this with a 1/320 shutter speed. Number one, this train was speeding along at around 70mph when I panned it, two, I used the blur filter to enhance the effect in my editing soft ware. As far as I know that filter is acceptable to use when editing a photo for posting on RP. Thanks for your kind comment."

That seems to be a rather liberal view to the policies as I understand them. Hasn't at least one photog had his shot removed for this? On the other hand, 24 hours after the shot was called out, it's still in the database.
Well, if using the "Blur Filter" is allowed on RP, I sure hope he cleans the things up on the loco that are blurred and shouldn't be like the horn, hand rails, etc. next time.
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Well, if using the "Blur Filter" is allowed on RP, I sure hope he cleans the things up on the loco that are blurred and shouldn't be like the horn, hand rails, etc. next time.
I agree. Maybe if it's done right, I wouldn't be so against it. But editing a shot into something it wasn't to begin with (such as a static shot into a pan) is against my principle. If you want a pan / pace shot, shoot one, don't make one in photoshop.

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Well now, that brings up another point of discussion:

What is a constructed, or fake shot?

Since I assume the group has some rather strong opinions on this, I started a new thread here.

http://forums.railpictures.net/showt...751#post114751

I don't have a problem with this shot.

Whether the blur was created at the time the image file was recorded, or later using software really makes no difference.

In my opinion it the same as whether you shot an image in B&W, or converted it later from a RAW file.

What is in the image is the same, just the look is different.
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Whether the blur was created at the time the image file was recorded, or later using software really makes no difference.
Really? So are you ok with people taking photos of museum pieces and adding blur to them to make it look like they are actually moving when they are not? That IS what you're implying, after all.
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Really? So are you ok with people taking photos of museum pieces and adding blur to them to make it look like they are actually moving when they are not? That IS what you're implying, after all.
Sure, why not?

It really gets down to the context of how the finished image is being presented right?

If you are looking at all the information contained within the four corners of the image, then why would it matter how the image looked.

However, if you are hanging more significance upon the image than what is contained within the four corners of the image then yes, a flying version of the U.S. Constitution would seem a little silly.

But wouldn't the observer make that determination for themselves?
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