Old 06-16-2010, 04:53 AM   #1
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Regarding: http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=257840059

I know this shot doesn't follow the "Rule of Thirds," but I'm not sure that there was a way to do so in this case. I wanted to put the bridge on the right side of my shot and not cut-off the train and second track on the left side, and that left the engine in the middle. I'm assuming the fact that the engine is in the middle is the issue they have with it, unless they don't like the empty space at the bottom?
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Old 06-16-2010, 05:08 AM   #2
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Heres how my eye would have seen it

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Old 06-16-2010, 05:57 AM   #3
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I tend to agree with Nathan, but I would like to see the train up further in the frame, perhaps at least toe edge of the trees before you see the bridge in the background.
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That shadow on the engine may kill it too
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That shadow on the engine may kill it too
Agreed, that was the first thing I noticed. I think you also might have been better if the train was on the closer track, since it would be able to run into the frame more before it blocked the bridge. I'm not a huge fan of Nathan's crop because, while it keeps the bridge structure, it cuts off the rest of the lock.

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Old 06-16-2010, 03:28 PM   #6
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Thanks for the input guys! Nathan: I like your crop since it cuts-out some of the "dead space" at the bottom that I was concerned about, but Chris, I agree that I don't want to cut the lock out of the shot, either. Closer track definitely would have been better for this train, and yeah, the shadows made it a little tough. I'll fiddle around with it a little more and try one more time...
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Old 06-16-2010, 04:18 PM   #7
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Well I tried it another way but got rejected for bad cropping this time:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1014148333

I decided that having the second track completely in the frame on the left wasn't that important, especially because it was consumed by shadows anyway. I cropped-out the "dead space" in the bottom but left the lock on the right because that's what makes the shot for me. Oh well, I still like it......nothing I could do about the shadows or the train being on the "wrong" track......with the lack of trains, abundance of trees, etc., beggers can't be choosers in the Northeast...
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Too bad there werent a few boats in the river. I think that probably would have helped balance the shot better. Not sure if would have been accepted or not that way.
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Too bad there werent a few boats in the river. I think that probably would have helped balance the shot better.
Yeah, I agree.
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Letting the train creep up in the frame would have at least placed the shadow on the cars, not the power.
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Well I tried it another way but got rejected for bad cropping this time:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1014148333
Seeing it at 1024 really brings out the fact that the train is too centered and not Rules of Thirdsy-enough that the attachment somehow didn't get across. Is there anyway to stand back more and still get the track and the bridge in the shot. And about that bridge? Did this train cross it? If so, do you have shots of that? If the most interesting aspect of this shot is the bridge, why not shoot the bridge as the *main* subject?
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Seeing it at 1024 really brings out the fact that the train is too centered and not Rules of Thirdsy-enough that the attachment somehow didn't get across. Is there anyway to stand back more and still get the track and the bridge in the shot. And about that bridge? Did this train cross it? If so, do you have shots of that? If the most interesting aspect of this shot is the bridge, why not shoot the bridge as the *main* subject?
Theoretically I could've stood further back, but it would've been along the MOW access road (major tresspassing) and uncomfortably close to the tracks. And nah, the bridge isn't even used as a real bridge anymore, it's associated with the lock somehow I think. I think the bottom line is that the train needed to be on the other track in order for it to meet railpictures' standards.
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Theoretically I could've stood further back, but it would've been along the MOW access road (major tresspassing)...
No one would have known.
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No one would have known.
True, but you do NOT want to get caught tresspassing on railroad property in New York State, lol.
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Congrats on rework.
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Thanks! I have to give credit to a friend of mine who came up with that crop though, haha. Thanks again to everyone on this thread as well for your input! It was kind of like shooting darts and finally having one hit the bulls-eye, haha...
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True, but you do NOT want to get caught tresspassing on railroad property in New York State, lol.
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