Old 01-11-2015, 09:14 PM   #1
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Default Backlit...is it really that bad?

Should I appeal?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...58&key=2838159

or is this image not worthy of inclusion with "The BEST railroad photos on the net"?
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Old 01-11-2015, 09:47 PM   #2
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Old 01-12-2015, 12:01 AM   #4
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Love the shot, Carl. Great angle and interesting lean - very well captured.

There are dozens if not hundreds of similar or worse examples of backlit images captured in less appealing ways the database - don't even try to find the logic.

Here's a suggestion - warm up the temperature in the backlit areas (select the cooler (bluish /purple shadow areas (even if they are partial reflections from the sky) and warm them up with a bit of red and yellow tones.

There are a number of ways to do so:
1: Use the sponge and desaturate the smoke box to remove the blue and purple tone.
2: Use the magic wand or paint brush and selectively select the smoke box and pilot and then go to color balance and add yellow and red on the sliders.
3: Go to replace color and put the eye drop tool on part of the smokebox that is blue or
purple and then desaturate.
4: Go to selective color and add more red and yellow to the neutrals and /or blacks.

Try for something along these lines:

Image © Mitch Goldman
PhotoID: 292245
Photograph © Mitch Goldman



Or, y'know.. submit it again some other time. Maybe you'll get this screener:

Image © Eugene Armer
PhotoID: 514109
Photograph © Eugene Armer



Which brings up one last option - darken the shadows of the smokebox (burn tool) or magic selection and contrast, ect.

Maybe RP simply does not accept backlit shots like this:

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I think it's a great photo. Mitch Goldman's example photo seems like a good target to aim for. One other problem I notice with the Massart pic tho is the numberboard looks out of focus. Looks like the focal point appears to be closer to the wheels?
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I think it's a great photo. Mitch Goldman's example photo seems like a good target to aim for. One other problem I notice with the Massart pic tho is the numberboard looks out of focus. Looks like the focal point appears to be closer to the wheels?
That looks more like motion blur... with a moving train, you need to go faster than 1/500 when you are this close and this wide.
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I resubmitted this. We'll see what happens

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Different screener now and not the one who lets un-lit noses in. This one also thinks it has a composition/balance issue. Fudge!! Half of my allotted submissions for the day shot to he!!

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...87&key=3602325

The number boards are better though......Goodbye cruel twisted screener world......

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I would like to see more top and more left, aka, more plume! Never cut off a plume! Especially on two sides.

Unless you are the god Mitch ... and he only had to do it up top.
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I would like to see more top and more left, aka, more plume! Never cut off a plume! Especially on two sides.

Unless you are the god Mitch ... and he only had to do it up top.
Well it would go good in your engine details photo album.
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Nice try, but my engine details album requires cropping of the hardware; cutting off only the effluent is insufficient.
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I was hoping for that shot to be my 200th. I will have to settle for this shot of 765

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I wish I would have got this screener for my rejected steam shot.

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C'mon, Carl, do you think yours is the same?

For one, 1984 vs 2012. For another, snowflakes. For another, no backlight.

It's not that yours is bad, it isn't. But if you are going to play the accepted vs. rejected comparison, you have to do it right.
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C'mon, Carl, do you think yours is the same?
Yeah, c'mon Carl - get with the program.

Let me help:

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I think you may have some luck still - if you can butcher it a bit without looking butchered. Honestly, a little more shadow detail, maybe a bit of NIK "structure" to bring out the texture without actually increasing the brightness and then warm the smoke box and pilot up a bit with a yellowish /red hue. If that does not work, you can play future screener roulette as issues as such seem to based not on rules but the luck of the draw. 'Shame you can not use the above as a precedent.

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Don't feel bad Carl, I've been dinged for backlighting on similar steam images over the years:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/sho...spx?id=2273063
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/sho...spx?id=3693565

I know the light on the noses isn't ideal and maybe the overall scenes are a bit lackluster but I thought both shots conveyed action pretty well. Submitted once, appealed once, and moved on...
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Don't feel bad Carl, I've been dinged for backlighting on similar steam images over the years:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/sho...spx?id=2273063
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I know the light on the noses isn't ideal and maybe the overall scenes are a bit lackluster but I thought both shots conveyed action pretty well. Submitted once, appealed once, and moved on...
This site actually rejected that fine portrait of 3985???
Maybe I should spend more time over at RRPA.

Who came up with that so-called light-on-the-nose "rule" anyway?
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Who came up with that so-called light-on-the-nose "rule" anyway?
Rejection. Distracting shadow on left tablet.
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Different screener now and not the one who lets un-lit noses in. This one also thinks it has a composition/balance issue. Fudge!! Half of my allotted submissions for the day shot to he!!

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...87&key=3602325

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I like the shot. It's for darn sure not a "rule of thirds" problem. Whoever screened that just flat out screwed the pooch on that one. Must have checked the wrong box, and instead meant to check:

"Photographer was wearing underwear briefs two sizes too small, which caused selective compression" or

"Bad attitude, halitosis, trench foot, and missed church last Sunday" or

"Screener off meds again"

Those are all better reasons for rejection.

The composition is right-on. Sure, you could dick around with the front some more with some additional fake and bake PS, but fundamentally it's a damn good shot. I wish I had taken it.

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Well, I don't think it is "right-on", Ron. I think it is left-weighted, so I guess I agree with the "balance" (especially since there is also a double cut-off of plume). I can ignore the "rule of thirds" issue since I know that it isn't always the case that the narrative after the initial rejection wording holds for every case.

Mind you, it's not a bad shot at all, and it's not off by much, and I would have no problem with it being accepted. But this doesn't seem to be a shot that, to me, is one that leads to piling on the screeners. Plenty of those available.
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Rejection. Distracting shadow on left tablet.
Also unlevel.
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