Old 09-22-2008, 10:04 AM   #1
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Hmmmmm... I don't like the reject... but I don't really understand what they mean... Could anybody help explain it to me? Any comments or suggestions?

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Old 09-22-2008, 11:11 AM   #2
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I like it just the way it is. The sky is nice and the whole trains in the shot. Appeal!
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Old 09-22-2008, 06:11 PM   #3
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The only thing I can see wrong is that the caboose is somewhat blocked... Other than that, I love it!
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Old 09-22-2008, 06:20 PM   #4
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Being that it was hit with balance, my guess would be that the main subjects (train and highway) are jammed into the center vertically, making it center weighted. The clouds add to the photo, but the water in the FG does not add much.

Not having the caboose blocked may have helped, but then you would have had the lead loco blocked by that ?antenna mast? and what may be off frame that we can't see as it appears like it is starting to get busy in that area. Do you have more to work with in the original to play with different crops? Maybe go for a retry, and have one of your buddies have his boat in the foreground keeping the same comp. that you have now.
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Old 09-22-2008, 09:29 PM   #5
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I'm guessing that the Screener is objecting to the subject matter being in the center third. On some broadside shots, the center third seems to be the accepted place to put the primary subject, so I can't say I'd have started out any differently than you did.

Since there's not much you can do with the photo laterally, other than perhaps giving the ends of the train a hair more breathing space, I'd agree with the other guys that a bit of a vertical shift is probably what you need to win the Screener over. My past experience with shots like this is that if the foreground doesn't have any interesting features, you are better off showing more sky, which is certainly more interesting in this case. If the original image allows, shave a bit off the bottom and include more sky. The train should probably sit right on the lower 33% line.

That would be my first shot at fixing it anyway.
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Not having the caboose blocked may have helped, but then you would have had the lead loco blocked by that ?antenna mast? and what may be off frame that we can't see as it appears like it is starting to get busy in that area. Do you have more to work with in the original to play with different crops? Maybe go for a retry, and have one of your buddies have his boat in the foreground keeping the same comp. that you have now.
I realized having the caboose blocked is annoying, but there wasn't much else I could do. Like you mentioned if I shot any later then the lead loco would have been blocked out by a few things. If only the one tanker was just a little bit shorter...

And if one of my buddies had a boat then I'd be using it to get closer to the bridge let alone getting him in the shot!

I’ll play around with it and add more sky, take away more water and see what happens… Looking back at some old posts I realized I have had the same problems shooting in this area before: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...234493&nseq=26
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Old 09-23-2008, 12:12 AM   #7
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Looking back at some old posts I realized I have had the same problems shooting in this area before: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...234493&nseq=26
My first thought when I read your post.
I think this one is too tight to the edges. Any up/down adjusting won't make much difference. RP seems to prefer foreground (without clutter) than a lot of sky.
Have you tried shooting wider and adding more foreground to the picture by adding a marina or a few boats?

BTW it also seems a little dark to me.
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My first thought when I read your post.
I think this one is too tight to the edges.
That was pretty much my exact thought two. Right after: cool, end cabs! I think it's a tad too tight on the right side of the frame. Give it a little lead room if you can!


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Hey, looks like you got it in! Nice job!

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It would appear as if less foreground and more sky was indeed the way to go.
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Old 09-24-2008, 12:16 AM   #10
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That was pretty much my exact thought two. Right after: cool, end cabs! I think it's a tad too tight on the right side of the frame. Give it a little lead room if you can!
I just read your comments now after the shot was already up, and I had looked at a crop that wasn't so tight and I liked this one over the other. Thanks for the help everybody!
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