Old 03-19-2010, 05:09 AM   #1
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I really don't get these rejections - so maybe some of you RP.Net experts can explain this to me. I really don't get it.

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How would you "crop" these?

How do these suck relative to all the boring wedgies that get accepted?

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Old 03-19-2010, 06:41 AM   #2
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There is a lot of dead space on either sides, thus the rejection. I suggest centering the subject more so it is more prominent.
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The leaders cab is centered in most of your shots and thats why it got nailed, Bad in their point of view. What happens is one sees a crop and they try to get there's in so its kind of over restricting at times. The next frame or two may trip their trigger better as J.E.Landrum point out. I think there Cropping rules are nutty at times, But its to keep the really bad ones off not to get the good ones on.
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There is a lot of dead space on either sides, thus the rejection. I suggest centering the subject more so it is more prominent.


I kind of like to include scenery in my shots so I guess I'm not seeing the dead space that the screeners are.
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The leaders cab is centered in most of your shots and thats why it got nailed, Bad in their point of view. What happens is one sees a crop and they try to get there's in so its kind of over restricting at times. The next frame or two may trip their trigger better as J.E.Landrum point out. I think there Cropping rules are nutty at times, But its to keep the really bad ones off not to get the good ones on.
The screener (above) wants me to get a rid of the dead space and center it - then I'd get nailed for bad composition. (Violating the rule of thirds)
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I kind of like to include scenery in my shots so I guess I'm not seeing the dead space that the screeners are.
Expanses of space are not automatically the sort of scenery that result in a scene being a good composition. Zooming wider does not automatically improve an image.
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The ground at the bottom of the photo is not scenery. Crop some away.
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You might try cropping it along these lines . . .

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That crop looks good, id take a little more sky off too.
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I really don't get these rejections - so maybe some of you RP.Net experts can explain this to me. I really don't get it.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=127812688

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1095274942

How would you "crop" these?

How do these suck relative to all the boring wedgies that get accepted?

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I think your questions have been answered about the cropping help. But, I still see the examples as "boring wedgies" with a little bit of nice scenery sticking out from around the sides. Future reference if you are wanting nice scenery shots, back up and show more of scenery. Take a look through the "Headline" categories on the home page for "scenery" shots.
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I like the rejected version better.

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I like the accepted version better than the rejected version above, but the accepted version needed some cropped off the rigt and the top IMHO.
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I like the accepted version better than the rejected version above, but the accepted version needed some cropped off the rigt and the top IMHO.
Then they are just photos of locomotives. Oh well.
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I like the first one as well, but cropped better. The separation of the loco and the mountain in the background is much more appealing than the accepted...IMO.

I would have gone for something like this...
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I like the first one as well, but cropped better. The separation of the loco and the mountain in the background is much more appealing than the accepted...IMO.

I would have gone for something like this...
I like this one.
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I like the first one as well, but cropped better. The separation of the loco and the mountain in the background is much more appealing than the accepted...IMO.

I would have gone for something like this...
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I like the first one as well, but cropped better. The separation of the loco and the mountain in the background is much more appealing than the accepted...IMO.

I would have gone for something like this...
Then it's no longer Dan's vision, but just an opinion of what is deemed "acceptable".
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Then it's no longer Dan's vision, but just an opinion of what is deemed "acceptable".
Your point?

This forum is, in a way which I thought obvious, primarily about figuring out what is acceptable to RP.

It can spin off into more general discussions of vision and what not, but I see no evidence in this thread of that desire for this discussion.

I'm sure we all have images that we are personally happy with, that fit our visions, but that don't make RP for one reason or another.
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I just got a rejection for cropping on this one too.....

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...8&key=94931712

I really don't want to crop this shot. I would then end up lose those very old houses which this town is very well know for. Its a shame CP tore down the old freight house that dated back to 1867. It used make a great photo prop. Thanks, Dean
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I just got a rejection for cropping on this one too.....

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...8&key=94931712

I really don't want to crop this shot. I would then end up lose those very old houses which this town is very well know for. Its a shame CP tore down the old freight house that dated back to 1867. It used make a great photo prop. Thanks, Dean
Yup, I like this one, too. It fits my style.

Here's two more "bad cropping" rejections.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=796503&key=0
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I dunno - I just think my style is "different" than the screeners here.
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I just got a rejection for cropping on this one too.....

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...8&key=94931712

I really don't want to crop this shot. I would then end up lose those very old houses which this town is very well know for. Its a shame CP tore down the old freight house that dated back to 1867. It used make a great photo prop. Thanks, Dean
Remeber that sometimes the cropping rejection does not call for surgery, it calls for minor adjustment. Try taking a bit off the left and top. The left you do not need, and that keeps the proportion when you take some of the excess sky off the top. Make sure you keep the entire trailing train.

Indecline/Dan: same issue on the BNSF-green. On the other shot, I don't much care for the clipped shadows on the left edge but I think the problem down the road may be a lack of image quality.
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Then it's no longer Dan's vision, but just an opinion of what is deemed "acceptable".
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I just got a rejection for cropping on this one too.....

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...8&key=94931712

I really don't want to crop this shot. I would then end up lose those very old houses which this town is very well know for. Its a shame CP tore down the old freight house that dated back to 1867. It used make a great photo prop. Thanks, Dean
If you want to include the houses, you need to reshot a better angle that makes the houses feel like they are part of the shot. Right now they are just background clutter with a lot of clutter in front of them and the train is poorly cropped also. A new angle will have the train cropped better as the subject with the houses more a part of the scene.
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Yup, I like this one, too. It fits my style.

Here's two more "bad cropping" rejections.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=796503&key=0
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=796504&key=0

I dunno - I just think my style is "different" than the screeners here.
I don't mind the 1st one (could take some off the top or bottom) but the 2nd on is way too centered. You need to lose some sky or some foreground.
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Yup, I like this one, too. It fits my style.

Here's two more "bad cropping" rejections.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=796503&key=0


I dunno - I just think my style is "different" than the screeners here.
Your style isn't different from the screeners...your eye for cropping is just a little different. But that's not a bad thing, it's just a little different from what RP wants. Look, if you get a photo accepted to a magazine for publishing, it's quite likely they are going to crop it in a way they find the most appealing (and workable) for their publication. I don't see RP's cropping "requirements" to be much different in that regard. YOU may think the cropping is perfect in your eyes, but to what they are looking for it might be a little off. That being said, for this vertical shot, there is too much dead space at the bottom, hence the rejection. That is a very easy fix and it eliminates a part of the scene we really don't need to see.

Here is an example of what they might be looking for. Does the loss of the empty space at the bottom change your style? I don't think so...
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