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First off I agree with the rejection just posting to share, second I really like the shot, these are three generations of Alco's in the twilight of their lives in the twilight.

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Why didn't you shoot it from the other side?
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The light and the color are perfect. Stay on this side.
I think the issue is cropping. You have two things, the locomotive and the animals, both vying for the same upper right rule-of-thirds point. The bottom of the frame painfully has nothing to look at.
Please see attached suggestion of what might work with the image as it now is.
To make the image work the way it is now cropped you need an object, say animals, in the lower left ROT point.
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Very nice, Mark; agree with Dennis.
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Bloody philistines, each and every once.
I actually like the uncropped one better, I think it gives a better feel of space, although I would have preferred more on the top and left as well.
But hey, that's just me - I have the biggest percentage of rejections AND awards of anyone on this site.
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Well, having been accused of being a philistine, I see I phrased poorly, or perhaps just plain inaccurately. I agree with Dennis' and Matt's comments re the composition, and I don't like the Dennis crop, too tight - but of course the fix is limited by the expanse available in the shot posted by Mark.

So I'm no philistine, just a guy with an opinion.

I do think one can do better with the shot as it is than Dennis' effort, I think the tree upper left is well worth keeping, so I cut as much of the bottom as I can while retaining a 3:2 format, attached.
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Why didn't you shoot it from the other side?
See the bovines?

Perhaps one was a bull.

That would be a good reason to stay out of the field

Here is my version and you still have the back lighting issue.

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I personally like the original, but it is too wide framed to get on this site.

They don't seem to like stuff like this:

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I love it, Mark - I do think cropping can help, but I also love it as it is.

That's one to submit to a magazine.
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I agree with Dennis' and Matt's comments re the composition, and I don't like the Dennis crop, too tight - but of course the fix is limited by the expanse available in the shot posted by Mark.
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Good point tree J.
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See the bovines?

Perhaps one was a bull.

That would be a good reason to stay out of the field
I think he would have been far enough away for that not to have been a problem.
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Well, having been accused of being a philistine, I see I phrased poorly, or perhaps just plain inaccurately. I agree with Dennis' and Matt's comments re the composition, and I don't like the Dennis crop, too tight - but of course the fix is limited by the expanse available in the shot posted by Mark.

So I'm no philistine, just a guy with an opinion.

I do think one can do better with the shot as it is than Dennis' effort, I think the tree upper left is well worth keeping, so I cut as much of the bottom as I can while retaining a 3:2 format, attached.
Nah, we're on the same page - I started replying before you posted yours. You're safe from my accusations of unartistic vision.
Hey El Roco? The backlighting is only a problem if you're a philistine
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I sure hate to see locos cut off. This may work a little better. Anyway, just a thought.



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I think he would have been far enough away for that not to have been a problem.
Looking at the picture I am pretty sure there is a fence between where the cows are and the area just to the right of the train tracks - that is because the grass is not eaten down to the ground like where the cows are.

Also, never under estimate the speed of a charging bull.

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I love it, Mark - I do think cropping can help, but I also love it as it is.

That's one to submit to a magazine.
Thanks Charles already done. Thank you to all for the help think I might save in PC. Here is another shot a bit further along opinions sought it is dark but I think fixable.

BTW the cows were not a problem the other side is in a valley and the shot would have been an acute angle upwards similar to the attachment only deeper.

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Here is another shot for opinions thanks.

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Here is another shot for opinions thanks.
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Poor execution but easily cropped out on the long shot.

Just to prove these are Alco's.

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Just to prove these are Alco's.
I'd love to see this framing, but with the train up a little closer to us. I think that would be a winner!
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How about this Joe.

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I like the original. Well done. Appeal. The road, the grass, the lighting, the cows. Very nice.
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The location is definetly nice but I really think you missed an opportunity for some really nice shots by choosing to shoot from the darkside. I think a telly shot from the otherside of the units smoking wouldve been really nice, or even one from this side closer to the tracks.
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Only one photo is well lit in my last 20 processed photos. Direct light is overrated. In my book. http://www.therailroadcollection.com/latest-works/
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Amen.

Mark, regardless of what the RP screeners think, you've captured a lovely scene in tremendous light, and I really like what you came up with.
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Thanks Dave. Travis talked me into appealing, something I almost never do, waiting on result.
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