Old 05-30-2011, 12:49 AM   #1
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I can't see the forest for the trees. I kept in as much of the train as was in the frame, put it along the bottom line in the rule of thirds. What am I missing?

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Too much sky. You cant really fix it without cutting something else out or leaving yourself in trouble with margins or composition.
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Cool location. I would re-shoot.
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Reshoot is highly unnecessary, a little off the left and a bit more off the top and your good.
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I can't see the forest for the trees. I kept in as much of the train as was in the frame, put it along the bottom line in the rule of thirds. What am I missing?

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I'm confused...same train, same location, one second apart, yet the lighting/processing/color looks different. What happened?

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Different frame, different raw editing...proabably differnt light in the room when I was doing it. Now there's not enough light on it.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=734398815

It's not a "Photo of the Week " candidate, but I don't get this site anymore.
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Well, you are victim, I think, of the RP tradition that only one or two rejection reasons are given when many apply. RP, as a matter of preference, does not like standard wedgie shots where the side of the train is not lit. Not much you can do about that. This shot also has serious high sun issues; I am surprised that was not the first rejection, or the second.

The shot just isn't what RP looks for in standard wedgies.
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Nicely done.

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As you said, not POTW, but over the RP threshold!
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I wasnt going to suggest he crop it like that because it cuts off the train, signals, etc. but if he wanted it on that bad, it worked
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Reshoot is highly unnecessary, a little off the left and a bit more off the top and your good.
If he did that, it would have fallen out of "RP.net" dimension tolerance (too wide, not tall enough), thats why I didnt suggest that.
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I wasnt going to suggest he crop it like that because it cuts off the train, signals, etc. but if he wanted it on that bad, it worked
I agree; an unfortunate consequence of the accepted crop was the removal of a lot of character from the scene. The elements in the distance which would have drawn the viewer's eye deeper into the photo (siding with grass between the rails, auto racks crossing over between tracks, signal bridge w/ red signals) were chopped off; now, it's just a straightforward "here's a train" wedgie. Maybe that's Mr. Brook's cup of tea -- which I certainly cannot fault since everyone has their own preferences for style -- but even though the accepted scene is technically proficient I find it much less interesting than what he was originally attempting to convey.
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It's not a "Photo of the Week " candidate, but I don't get this site...
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For what its worth, I don't much care for the second shot, but you have to try and find out what the standard is. Getting "it on" is not as important as understanding why it doesn't get on. I kept the signal bridge and overgrown track in the original attempt because it made the shot more then just a boring nose on frame.

Unlike aircraft, trains offer a limited selection of angles and options, and scenery can often be very boring. I think RP has cut their options for creativity quite a bit but some of their automatic rejection choices i.e. going away shots. That said, it is their site, and they can select whatever they want, and I am always free to find other options for posting.

I suspect we all get rejections that on second look we can understand. Trying to add something to make a shot more interesting made sense to me, but I didn't understand the rejection, and RP screeners are not great at elaborating on what is wrong with a shot, so you're left to guess which leads to second attempts that may be less exciting, but at least you think you understand what the screeners are striving for; or you're even more frustrated.

I believe Chris Starnes once said that a great shot is "scenery with a train in it that would be interesting even if the train wasn't". I think the first attempt fits that ideal a lot better then the second.

What have I learned from this? Alas, not much, so I guess I'll have to try again.

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Unlike aircraft, trains offer a limited selection of angles and options, and scenery can often be very boring.
I presonally find RP much more interesting than, say, jetphotos, where so many shots are in-the-air takeoff/landing equivalents of wedgies or in the air equivalents of wedgies. I think one seem much more scenic variation on the RR side.

Or maybe over the years I've learned to subconsciously filter out all the dull wedgies ...
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Unlike aircraft, trains offer a limited selection of angles and options, and scenery can often be very boring.
I agree with most of your post except this. It depends on where you live and what the surroundings are like. That's why it is harder to find situations where you can work a train into a nice, pretty shot. That's why you see so many boring wedgies.
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I agree. I've yet to see scenery on RP that is as good as this:

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5690656



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I agree. I've yet to see scenery on RP that is as good as this:

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5690656

I know, just look at those jets!

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For what its worth, I don't much care for the second shot, but you have to try and find out what the standard is. Getting "it on" is not as important as understanding why it doesn't get on. I kept the signal bridge and overgrown track in the original attempt because it made the shot more then just a boring nose on frame.

Unlike aircraft, trains offer a limited selection of angles and options, and scenery can often be very boring. I think RP has cut their options for creativity quite a bit but some of their automatic rejection choices i.e. going away shots. That said, it is their site, and they can select whatever they want, and I am always free to find other options for posting.

I suspect we all get rejections that on second look we can understand. Trying to add something to make a shot more interesting made sense to me, but I didn't understand the rejection, and RP screeners are not great at elaborating on what is wrong with a shot, so you're left to guess which leads to second attempts that may be less exciting, but at least you think you understand what the screeners are striving for; or you're even more frustrated.

I believe Chris Starnes once said that a great shot is "scenery with a train in it that would be interesting even if the train wasn't". I think the first attempt fits that ideal a lot better then the second.

What have I learned from this? Alas, not much, so I guess I'll have to try again.

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Is that a joke? As opposed to what, air?
Similar to my first thought, too.
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