Old 09-01-2009, 07:03 PM   #1
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Hi all,
Well things are going a little better recently as I get used to the rules and trends on rp.net. Last Thursday I took a day of work to go and photograph in a couple of fantastic locations I've been wanting to catch a steam special at for a long time. Anyway the first location, Knaresborough Viaduct, went well, that photo's already on with no problems. It's the second location, York Station, that's causing me the problem. The curved station with it's arched roof is spectacular and I wanted to capture this just as much as the train. I used a wide lens and paying extra attention to composition. In post processing I found many worked best cropped as a square, but for some reason the rules say we should stick to around 2x3. Anyway I picked one I felt worked and gave it a try. The first time it got regected for contast, I altered that and gave it another go. This time it got done for level, which I had feared. The 14-24mm I used is a fantastic lens and on a full frame camera gives a wonderful wide view. But as you'd expect their is some distortion around the edges, which because of the angle I was shooting, is right where the engine and platforms are, making leveling difficult. I could try fixing the perspective in Photoshop but that would degrade the quality which I'd rather not do. I guess it's over to you now, the experts, what would you level it on, or is it just not going to work?
Any advice, comments, or criticisms, most welcome.

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Old 09-01-2009, 07:09 PM   #2
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This might be the hardest shot to level ever! As always, however, look for verticals in the center, such as the front edge of the tender - it's not clear to me whether the front edge of the cab is straight or curved but that might also be a good vertical to work with.

As for perspective correction, that is a matter of taste, I often do a lot but lots of people upload shots with no correction. Unless your camera is not very capable, perspective correction won't reduce the quality that much, so you may want to try that if you prefer shots that way.

BTW, you need not stick to 2:3. I find that while RP does not like square, anything up to 4:5 works.
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WOW! Those are nice use of lines. I must confess though, I did get a little lost as the eye wants to go from front to back since the line is going away from you right to left. And you have placed your subject on the "starting line" and it finishes off into absolutly nothing. Aside from my little pet peeve, cool shot. Like J said, go off a vertical. This being "ultra wide", it'll be hard to get a balance. Ie, whats level on the right might not be, or worse, on the left. Get a happy medium and make it look balanced to your eye. Use the grid as a help, but not the deciding factor, level it for what looks good to your eye.

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Old 09-01-2009, 09:58 PM   #4
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Great shot! I am fortunate enough to have been there myself and I know the station is level.

Leveling has been a snap for me once I realized that all I needed to do is level a vertical or horizontal in the middle of the frame. The rest falls into place.

See attachment for a CWW leveling I did. I went off the tender bottom and sides which lined up with the platform on the left. It works (I think!)

One more thought: Do you have a little more room on the right? The locomotive is a little too close to the right edge I feel.
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Dennis nailed the leveling in my opinion. I agree about the right edge as well as making sure not to cut off the windows at left. Love the lines in the shot, hope it gets on. A great B&W.

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Old 09-02-2009, 12:43 PM   #6
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Thanks for your help everyone, I'll try it that way when I get home but it certainly looks right. I'd tried it so many different way's a second pair or eyes was definatly needed.
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Did something different i ran it thru PS and reworked its perspective, That ended up cutting a lot off the top and sides.
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Did something different i ran it thru PS and reworked its perspective, That ended up cutting a lot off the top and sides.
Although you cut the guy on the left in half, at least he doesn't need a V-8 now
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Did something different i ran it thru PS and reworked its perspective, That ended up cutting a lot off the top and sides.
I like it. The right does not feel so tight now.

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Cheers everyone, it's now got on.
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And here it is
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Still looks like it has some wide angle distortion unlevelness. Sweet shot, though.
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Still looks like it has some wide angle distortion unlevelness. Sweet shot, though.
Jim, I see the vertical at the lower front of the cab, in front of the "70013", as vertical, and that is at the center of the shot horizontally. Note that the upper part of the cab is sloped in and so should not appear vertical. Looks good to me!
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Looks good to me!
Are you kidding? There is some major wide angle distortion going on. The front of the loco looks like it's going up a hill. But as Mark said in his original post, he didn't want to degrade the image quality by trying to fix the distortion.
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Are you kidding? There is some major wide angle distortion going on. The front of the loco looks like it's going up a hill. But as Mark said in his original post, he didn't want to degrade the image quality by trying to fix the distortion.
I was refering to the level. Of course there is wide angle distortion, after all, it was shot with a wide angle lens (10mm IIRC) ... In those cases there is always a choice as to how much to correct the perspective, but certainly not correcting at all is an acceptable option (whereas unlevel isn't).
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Ok, fresh eyes, I see what you're saying. Understood.
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