Old 09-25-2012, 11:42 PM   #1
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I am trying to understand some of the cropping rejects that I have received especially my latest effort. I am a novice user of Photoshop Elements to set the record straight.

So, from the beginning, I submitted this photo and it was rejected due to over exposure.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...41&key=5361463

I adjusted the exposure and resubmitted and received an Undersharpened (Soft) reject.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...47&key=1231068

Not to be discouraged, I adjusted the sharpness and my next submission was a reject for Bad Cropping
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...49&key=4270395

So, reading the posts in the forum, I tried the rule of thirds and placed the nose of the loco 1/3 of the way in from the left side. My photo received a fourth rejection. Once again, Bad Cropping.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...97&key=5984652

I have looked at other pictures at the same location and I cannot see for the life of me why my picture has Bad Cropping compared to other photos.
I intentionally wanted the tree on the left as a frame for the picture to add some interest but not distract from the overall image.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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Old 09-26-2012, 12:18 AM   #2
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Awesome location with potential, but the train is still very much centered, especially horizontally.

First, there is waaaaay too much sky for my taste. The train needs to be higher in the frame.

Second, it would help you if the train was farther to the left. Do you have any photos where the BC Rail engine is above the left-side pillar?

Next time, wait a little longer and use a slightly longer focal length
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Old 09-26-2012, 12:32 AM   #3
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Mathieu,

No, I do not have any shots exposed after this one.

I can start over again but will lose the trees on the left if I try to get the lead loco farther to the left and reduce the sky. I also think that I might need to rotate slightly clockwise to get the pillars perfectly vertical.

Maybe I will give that a try.

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Old 09-26-2012, 01:22 AM   #4
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I would go a bit tighter. Keep the trees on either side, but less of them. And put the bridge/train in the upper third.

Another idea would be to whip out the long boots and go where those fishermen are standing.
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:45 AM   #5
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I have submitted Rev5 which has the trees cropped and the train about 1/3 of the way down from the top. Also straightened the picture so that the stone pillars are vertical.

If that does not fly, I did find another picture with the loco couplers over the left stone pillar. I have that one ready to go as a fresh start with a new photo.

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Old 09-26-2012, 02:31 AM   #6
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Well, the aligning the tracks at 1/3 down from the top got the picture accepted.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...=410200&nseq=0
I still like the trees on the left but they are gone now.

Thanks for the help Mathieu
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Old 09-26-2012, 03:33 AM   #7
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This is one of those cases where you did what they asked, but all it did was get a sub par photograph in the database. I'm not trying to be offensive, but you messed the shot up when you didn't let the train get closer to the left side of the frame where you could have left the trees in. You can't fix everything in post.
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Old 09-26-2012, 10:18 AM   #8
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I'm not going to be offensive....you didn't mess anything up! I like the previous shots over the accepted version. I think you did just fine. RP has their own definition of a good photo. Sometimes they're right and sometimes (I think) they're wrong. I personally adjust a few times if necessary and if they still aren't happy...well fuggem. I'm in it to have fun not chase my tail to "share" an image. So like I said, you did a great job, its a cool picture. You'll learn, you'll get better, and one day you will have the RP formula figured out. When you get to that point remember to be nice to the next batch of newbies. I've noticed a lot of people around here forget that they once were learning too...

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I'm not going to be offensive....you didn't mess anything up! I like the previous shots over the accepted version.
I absolutely agree. Try to resubmit it with a wider version, it needs something to close the bridge at the left side.
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Well, I did it. The picture that I accidentally trashed was submitted as a possible better replacement for my accepted shot and it is now in the database.

Thanks to all who helped me out here and supported my intuition of which was the better composition. The picture in the database now has the locos tighter to the left side and the trees are there to give closure to the bridge.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...410200&nseq=41

Anthony, advice well taken. Regards to all and we will put closure on this thread.
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Did I miss something? The shot in the DB looks mighty fine! I thought you said you didn't have any shot with the train further along the bridge?

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Old 09-26-2012, 02:42 PM   #12
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Mathieu,

I had accidentally trashed the best picture of the day.
Probably a "finger check" while deleting shots after importing to iPhoto.

Restored it from the trash and re-submitted the photo.
It has replaced the previously accepted image.
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Very nice, overall. Yes, this was the shot to go with.

But I have to say, those dark gray mini-clouds look weird.
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The accepted shot I was refering to included no trees to the left of the shot like all of the rejected shots did. Now the accepted version includes those trees. As seeminly everyone has mentioned, and I agree, this is the better shot of the two.
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