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Even in the technical dimensions, such as a definitive statement regarding formats, say 3:2 to 5:4, vert or horizontal. Or somethign on HDR.
That's one of the things I dont like are the seemingly arbitrary dimension restrictions. I understand you need to have SOME rules, but to arbitrarily say 1024x___ for landscape and ___x850 for portrait is at times kind of limiting. There are even times a square crop would work and there are even some (maybe older) shots in the DB that are damn near square.

Someone said you don't want to embarrass the person on the rejects, I think we are all better than that.

ALSO, restrictions on manipulation, I would be a big proponent of using the clone tool to remove stuff like power lines, etc when done tastefully.
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Old 11-29-2010, 11:10 PM   #27
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I have no interest in seeing other folks rejections unless they choose to post them and ask for help. The purpose of the site is to showcase good quality railroad photographs, not provide a feeding frenzy for the segment of society that gets their kicks finding the flaws in other people's work.

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I thought the point of looking at rejections was not so much as a way to "get kicks" from seeing the "flaws," but as a community way of understanding what the screeners are looking for. Sort of a learn by example.
A few years ago, everyone's rejection pages were publicly available. If you went to your own rejection page under the "Members" thread, and replaced your ID number with another contributor's, you were able to see their rejection list.

Yes, if you're a loser with nothing better to do than surf RP, then you use this to enjoy looking at people's mistakes. But for the rest of us, I found it most useful for figuring out how to deal with someone asking for help on the forums. If you went to their rejection page, and they had uploaded the same shot 6 times without following the advice they were given in the forums, it was pointless to help them from then on.

It was also interesting to see the rejections of folks giving advice on the forums, seeing if they practice what they preach.

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Old 11-29-2010, 11:15 PM   #28
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Someone said you don't want to embarrass the person on the rejects, I think we are all better than that.
I dont think you are better than that.
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Old 11-29-2010, 11:23 PM   #29
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I dont think you are better than that.
I dont give a rats ass what you think, but I guarantee I would never cruise through the reject pile looking for terrible pics to link here. I have better things to do with my time.

I do and will call out ones that do get on when I think it deserves it.

For instance, if you look RIGHT NOW, 2 virtually identical pictures got on back to back. Don't know how, but they did. I wont link them just yet, may not regardless, but it's interesting. Lots of cloudy ones today too.
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Lets go back to the first contemporary mention of it, Kevin. Chris K. said that maybe it was time to reopen the rejections. I think that part of your argument is void because of it. Also, there would need to be away to block some pics from being shown, i.e., nudity, infringement of copyright, excessively gory shots, etc. But back to the original mention from Chris K., this suggestion was because Steven, I think, was submitting a bunch of crap and the openness would put a damper on that. This is one of the main benefits of open rejects -- people will be slower to upload so-called "long shots."
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2 virtually identical pictures got on back to back. Don't know how, but they did. I wont link them just yet, may not regardless, but it's interesting. Lots of cloudy ones today too.
Shoulda seen it in color...


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Shoulda seen it in color...
I did, I saw it or let me say SEE it in B&W and color
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I personally have had a problem with those trying to tell us to turn railroad photography into an "art form." It's fine for them to do so, I welcome it in fact, but what I do have a problem with is that the practitioners of the more "arty" shots, I have found, tend to look down their nose's at others who are shooting more "mundane" shots.
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Lots of cloudy ones today too.
Not to mention a coaling tower that looks like it's going to tip over.
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Not to mention a coaling tower that looks like it's going to tip over.
How about this one? I mean, I don't think the fact that they're shooting the dark side of the train can be considered artistic? I'm lost.

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'Mon, people. Give Alex a break, his photography is pretty awesome. I wish I were that good.
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I've noticed some people get more leeway than others. Does this really need to be explained?
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MNF? Pfft...lousy game. I'm heading to the bar down the street for a drink.
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Having a "super-zoom" P&S does not mean that you need to use the "super-zoom" part all the time!

I have seen worse though. Atleast it is not completely centered in the frame.

And we really dont know the age of this person, heck he could be young kid and just starting out.
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Is there a need to post that besides humiliation? Sure to us it looks terrible but to someone just starting out in photography (we all have been there) it may look fine. I find the way administrators on this site call out people (not just now) rather unprofessional. Like the title of this thread. Is Chase happy he was called out in front of everyone? I am sure he isn't. Sure he may have been doing that, but a simple email would solve everything. Wanna get the point across? Sticky a topic in the forum regarding it. I just feel something like this will turn people away from photography very quickly. Is criticism good? Yes. But posting someones picture up here for people to laugh at is just not right.
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Agreed, but so is constantly whining about admin decisions.
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Is there a need to post that besides humiliation? Sure to us it looks terrible but to someone just starting out in photography (we all have been there) it may look fine. I find the way administrators on this site call out people (not just now) rather unprofessional. Like the title of this thread. Is Chase happy he was called out in front of everyone? I am sure he isn't. Sure he may have been doing that, but a simple email would solve everything. Wanna get the point across? Sticky a topic in the forum regarding it. I just feel something like this will turn people away from photography very quickly. Is criticism good? Yes. But posting someones picture up here for people to laugh at is just not right.
I think you took it the wrong way, Max. I don't think Chris called me out, but instead made a point.. There was nothing that I took offense to. The internet is obviously subtle and it's hard to tell what Chris' motive was, but I know I didn't take it offensively.

How is posting a reject thumbnail any different than the humiliation one may receive by making his/her rejections public? He/she is setting themselves up by posting that type of material anyway, as a quick glance at what is accepted would reveal that there photos do not compare to the accepted ones.


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[quote=Chris Kilroy;125711]In the spirit of opening up rejects ...

Hi Mr. Kilroy

Help me out here. This was appealed, and I had NO Admin comments left for this photo. Sure, I'll admit that there may be some flaws with it but come on, would it really be that time consuming to issue me some screener comments? Goodness.

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Hi Mr. Kilroy

Help me out here. This was appealed, and I had NO Admin comments left for this photo. Sure, I'll admit that there may be some flaws with it but come on, would it really be that time consuming to issue me some screener comments? Goodness.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=416330822
I don't see the cropping issue (didn't screen it originally), but it's unlevel (leaning to the right) and REALLY soft.
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Is there a need to post that besides humiliation? Sure to us it looks terrible but to someone just starting out in photography (we all have been there) it may look fine. I find the way administrators on this site call out people (not just now) rather unprofessional. Like the title of this thread. Is Chase happy he was called out in front of everyone? I am sure he isn't. Sure he may have been doing that, but a simple email would solve everything. Wanna get the point across? Sticky a topic in the forum regarding it. I just feel something like this will turn people away from photography very quickly. Is criticism good? Yes. But posting someones picture up here for people to laugh at is just not right.
Oh come on. It was just a fun little post to show some of what we get to deal with that you don't normally get to see. And, you know what, sometimes people need to be called out publicly. It happens to us every day on here.

BTW, Chase and I are friends; he knows what my "motives" were.
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Help me out here. This was appealed, and I had NO Admin comments left for this photo. Sure, I'll admit that there may be some flaws with it but come on, would it really be that time consuming to issue me some screener comments? Goodness.
The issue of screener comments has been long debated, this post offers nothing more. I have no insight regarding the cropping, but I have one other word to offer:

O V E R S H A R P E N E D

Edit: how is it possible that Chris sees soft and I see oversharpened? Well, sharpening can't hide flaws in the original. It can be the case that one has a soft original, sharpens it up out of desperation, and ends up with oversharpening halos all over the place but not the desired crispness.
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