Old 11-30-2017, 05:19 AM   #376
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I swear to god we've seen this EXACT SAME shot before. Different photographer?

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They're both good images. The second one from 2017 is better executed in terms of color and composition. You have a good memory! I think 5 years is enough time for someone to try the shot again...and shoot it better than the original in my opinion.
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:03 PM   #377
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As with most things, it's easy if you already know what you're doing....looks like its leaning a bit to the right now instead of left but that's just me.
It looks like it's leaning because of the piece of furniture on the right. Go ahead and check the verticals by moving the browser window of the edge of your screen. And even if mine isn't perfect (which wasn't the point), it would be if I had the original file to work with.
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:10 PM   #378
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I recently saw a drone shot here on RP that showed me little more than the tops of the cars and the locomotives. The countryside was pretty, but as a train shot, it was not very interesting.
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Also not sure why the issue with long shadows from morning/evening light...
Don't sweat it. I dig the shadows in your shot.
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:37 PM   #379
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They're both good images. The second one from 2017 is better executed in terms of color and composition. You have a good memory! I think 5 years is enough time for someone to try the shot again...and shoot it better than the original in my opinion.
Oversized, distracting, poke-in-the-eyes watermarks are not allowed on RP...except of course for their own oversized, distracting, poke-in-the-eyes watermark.

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Old 11-30-2017, 12:43 PM   #380
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They're both good images. The second one from 2017 is better executed in terms of color and composition. You have a good memory! I think 5 years is enough time for someone to try the shot again...and shoot it better than the original in my opinion.
I looked online, as the original photographer noted, a common scene, very well known as a symbol of Bordeaux. The second decided to interpret the scene almost identically. An art type scene with the RP's on the top black sky in big white letters gets it two thumbs down from me, the smaller copyright on the bottom is enough. What I saw online, I liked the Blue Hour versions. It is interesting reading about the reflecting pool set with granite slabs

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Old 11-30-2017, 12:50 PM   #381
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Oversized, distracting, poke-in-the-eyes watermarks are not allowed on RP...except of course for their own oversized, distracting, poke-in-the-eyes watermark.

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And from a theft standpoint, about 30 seconds in photoshop will make it go bye-bye

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Old 11-30-2017, 02:20 PM   #382
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I looked online, as the original photographer noted, a common scene, very well known as a symbol of Bordeaux. The second decided to interpret the scene almost identically.
Almost identically, but not quite. The newer one is much better than the first, not only in color, exposure, and processing, but also in composition/framing. However, I can't quite figure out what's going on with those angled lines leading into the scene. Both photographers look pretty centered to the middle structure, yet in the first image those angled lines are way out of line. In the newer image they are quite symmetrical. And that is one element of the image that really stands out to me the most as being "better."
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And from a theft standpoint, about 30 seconds in photoshop will make it go bye-bye

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30 seconds? You're slippin', man! Try about 5 seconds once you get the image opened in photoshop.
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Almost identically, but not quite. The newer one is much better than the first, not only in color, exposure, and processing, but also in composition/framing. However, I can't quite figure out what's going on with those angled lines leading into the scene. Both photographers look pretty centered to the middle structure, yet in the first image those angled lines are way out of line. In the newer image they are quite symmetrical. And that is one element of the image that really stands out to me the most as being "better."

The angled lines I think are from the slate slabs forming the reflecting pool. It is fed in a cycle with a fine mist and is only a few inches deep. Miroir d'eau (Water Mirror). The original is a little off center to the left.

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30 seconds? You're slippin', man! Try about 5 seconds once you get the image opened in photoshop.
I'm trying to accommodate those whose photoshop skills are not up to the level of the masters.

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Old 11-30-2017, 03:02 PM   #386
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It's a nice composition but this looks unlevel and really soft from a lot of noise reduction

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He was pushing the limits of the 6d, and was still underexposed.

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Old 11-30-2017, 04:44 PM   #388
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Dark and soft, but has an interesting affect, gloomy with the looming building almost like a Dracula Movie promo so OK to me in that context. Little picky but seems he could have cropped off the left and bottom, don't need to see the exit ramp?

The Holiday train thing is a little problematic for me. The whole concept of the train at night is the lights so when I see photo with bright flashes I think that is really counter intuitive. Tricky to have some lighting but not overwhelm the train.

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He was pushing the limits of the 6d, and was still underexposed.

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Looks like it was shot at 1/100th at f/5 and ISO 20,000. The ISO used here was really extreme. Faster glass might have given the photographer some needed latitude to decrease the ISO and increase the shutter speed. These would have done wonders to decrease the "fuzz factor" here. A 24mm f/1.8 is a great little lens for night shots.
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Looks like it was shot at 1/100th at f/5 and ISO 20,000. The ISO used here was really extreme. Faster glass might have given the photographer some needed latitude to decrease the ISO and increase the shutter speed. These would have done wonders to decrease the "fuzz factor" here. A 24mm f/1.8 is a great little lens for night shots.
Faster glass would have allowed a proper exposure at the current settings, which would have allowed less photoshop work perhaps.

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I'm trying to accommodate those whose photoshop skills are not up to the level of the masters.

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Content Aware makes me a "master"?
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I don't mind the dark so much, but it looks really muddy. No pop at all!
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I suspect any softness came from the shutter speed, especially if relying on VR (IS) instead of a tripod. Really can't beat a tripod.


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I do not like content aware for most applications. My apologies for giving credit where it wasn't warranted.

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I suspect any softness came from the shutter speed, especially if relying on VR (IS) instead of a tripod. Really can't beat a tripod.


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If he had a nervous tick in a windstorm perhaps. 1/100th at 24mm FF is quite usable. Since I have years of experience with the 6d (and the 24-105 I bet he's using), I believe the softness stems from 20k iso with a 6d and using the short end of that lens at a wider aperture, coupled with an underexposed image that was brightened with noise reduction applied during processing.

It should also bear mentioning that if he's using a newer model 6d, it's performance at higher iso is worse than the original 6d.

While I can pull of 8x10" print quality with the 6d @ 12.8k iso, it goes downhill quick the higher you push the iso.

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Not to be contrarian, but couldn't you say that about tens of thousands of photos on this site?
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Looks like it got a POTW.

RP has been loving the huge watermarks lately.
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Looks like it got a POTW.
And it's certainly deserving of it. Should have had a Screener's Choice as well.
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Looks like it got a POTW.

RP has been loving the huge watermarks lately.
In the PoTW position on the home page, this watermark is like a giant, aerial billboard for the site. The only thing missing is the Goodyear Blimp carrying that "sign". Seriously, it's a gorgeous image, but I personally would have used a much more subtle watermark and in a less obtrusive place. That watermark detracts immeasurably from the beauty of the photo.
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It would almost be worth photoshopping the watermark out, and emailing it to the photographer just to prove the fallacy that is watermarking.

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