Old 12-29-2007, 02:06 AM   #51
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I bet he looked like he was just down on his luck if/when anyone saw him...

That doesn't really prove anything. People like this can be anywhere and to think you can stop one of these people by calling in a train rider is the equivalent of thinking you just bought the winning lottery ticket. It's possible, but you're much more likely to do die before it happens.

Since when did people riding trains become such a big concern to everyone? All the railfans I know personally just laugh when they see a rider.
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Old 12-29-2007, 02:17 AM   #52
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I bet he looked like he was just down on his luck if/when anyone saw him...
I'm not sure what this proves, if anything.


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Old 12-29-2007, 02:44 AM   #53
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I'm not sure what this proves, if anything.


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It's not supposed to prove anything, Joe, but it does illustrate that a serial killer used the rails to get from town to town to murder people. Imagine if a railfan spotted him and called the cops. Well, they probably didn't want to because they didn't want to flood the phone lines on something like a dude riding on a train...
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Wasn't it Bob Dylan who said "don't criticize what you can't understand" ?
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Old 12-29-2007, 08:18 AM   #55
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Just goes to show that a railfan could put a conductors life in danger by calling in riders. Everytime my train goes into the hole to have a train pass us, my conductor has to get down on the ground to do a roll by inspection. During those inspections we see scores of riders, and we rarely ever call them in. The reason is because the other crew needs to stop their train and walk the whole train for what is usually some harmless gutter punk going someplace, but there is always the possibility that they may be a criminal. In general we just let them be.
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Old 12-29-2007, 01:07 PM   #56
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What makes you think I'm so concerned about you editing your posts? I noticed that you do it a lot, so I asked why...once. I was just curious, that's all. I'm not lying in bed at night wondering why Jim Thias edits most of his posts.
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Just goes to show that a railfan could put a conductors life in danger by calling in riders. Everytime my train goes into the hole to have a train pass us, my conductor has to get down on the ground to do a roll by inspection. During those inspections we see scores of riders, and we rarely ever call them in. The reason is because the other crew needs to stop their train and walk the whole train for what is usually some harmless gutter punk going someplace, but there is always the possibility that they may be a criminal. In general we just let them be.
That surprises me. What would be company policy regarding riders?
You need this guy for your conductor Bob.
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Old 12-29-2007, 02:28 PM   #58
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Joe - You are right of course... but my response goes back to Mike's feeling that it's not his problem if a bank is robbed - Charles
I just decided to leave Mike's bank robbing comment alone. It's a head scratcher to me that he would have that opinion, but the train riding thing is at least train related.


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Tag's post has officially changed my opinion.
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Old 12-30-2007, 02:08 PM   #60
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I caught these guys this summer just west of Staples, MN. They did not look friendly.

Hobos on a stack train
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Old 12-31-2007, 02:40 AM   #61
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That surprises me. What would be company policy regarding riders?
You need this guy for your conductor Bob.
NOBODY RIDES SHACKS TRAIN! I love that movie.
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NOBODY RIDES SHACKS TRAIN! I love that movie.
Except this guy...



Definitely a classic RR themed movie.
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Just wondering after reading about railfans who have photographed illegal riders if anyone in RP land has ever hopped a freight themselves? If so, do tell!
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Glenn Davis, Joe LeMay, and I met a hobo/trainhopper in, of all places, Hinsdale (for those of you not familiar with the locale, Hinsdale is an extremely wealthy and yuppyish town). He was riding a funny looking bike and told us some stories. An...interesting old man. Wish I'd gotten a picture of him...
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Just wondering after reading about railfans who have photographed illegal riders if anyone in RP land has ever hopped a freight themselves? If so, do tell!
Considering how people reacted to me choosing not to turn in riders, a person wouldn't be so bright to admit they hopped a train.
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I hear you Mike...just wondering if anyone had the cajones to try it and if so to relate their story knowing they'll catch some flak for trespassing, being irresponsible and so on.
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Although I wasn't trackside (I heard it from a buddy), a few days ago, VIA 82 (i think) stopped at Aldershot (Burlington,ON) for it's regular station stop, and while loading passengers, this one guy jumped up on the roof of the locomotive and started jumping around. The crew couldn't get him down, so they called int he police. It took them 45 mins. to finally get the train moving again. I guess some people are just idiots.

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Just wondering after reading about railfans who have photographed illegal riders if anyone in RP land has ever hopped a freight themselves? If so, do tell!
Does too young too realize to danger count? When I was approx. 9-10 Y/O, we were climbing on a stopped coal train on the Conrail Clarion Secondary and it started moving. Luckly, we were just on the ladder and were able to jump off before we ended up in Ashtabula, OH. Boy, how stupid now. I do think it would be kinda cool to hobo a long distance though, not that I would.
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In the same boat as EMT, when I was still at the invincible ages of 10-15, I jumped trains pretty regularly. Local shortline railroad known as the St. Lawrence Railroad used to run trains up to the CONRAIL interchange point in Norwood, NY and always had empty cars that were open. Usually the older log haulers or empty Berwick railboxes.

Twice I jumped a CR train, once I only rode it maybe 3 miles or so as it crept toward a siding. The other time my friends and I underestimated just how fast they'd get going North of Norwood and ended up all the way in the yard at Massena because we couldn't find a safe place to jump off at track speed which was around 40mph in those days, IIRC. THAT was a long walk home!

I was only 2 days over 16 when I took a summer job, and subsequently a part time job working as a utility-man for the very shortline I used to hitchhike on quite frequently. One of the engineers (only 3 of them at the time) recognized me and had a fit that they'd hire me.

Guess it pays when your Grandfather is best friends with the railroad's owner. But falling off a boxcar while shoving it into the car shop (stirrup step was frosted over) taught me some humility that I'm often surprised I didn't learn sooner.

To live in those years again, wouldn't it be grand?
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Old 01-06-2008, 08:18 PM   #72
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Over 30 years ago when I was an "indestructible" teen railfan I rode over Sherman Hill twice and from Fort Collins to Cheyenne once. It was more acceptable back then as I remember seeing riders on freights a lot when the weather was decent. Illegal of course and I wouldn't try it today but it sure was a blast - wish I had some photos or video - the memories will have to suffice!
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Think about blood and guts. My personal experience with hobos has been getting called in the middle of the night to pick up the body parts. To walk the tracks to see the shreds of human flesh plastered on the angle bars and whatever else took a chunk out of the body. To say I was nauseated is an understatement.

Hobos are going to ride trains. The temptation is too great. And too many people are too stupid to understand the dangers. But when the inevitable happens, it's just not the idiot who pays the price, somebody has to clean up the mess.

I agree with the post above that it is not the crew's responsibility to get hobos off. If a railroad expects crews to do that (mine did not) that railroad is not thinking it through. I would think the unions would make an issue of it if that were the case, especially with a two man crew. It's a job for the railroad or local police.

But any railfan who calls in a hobo is doing a whole lot of people a favor. Let's face it trains are dangerous even when you know what you're doing. This is not a laughing matter....would you do nothing if you saw somebody trying to commit suicide....the guy on the train is essentially playing russian roulette.

Sorry to be a wet rag.
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