Old 06-24-2006, 07:33 PM   #1
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I practiced some pacing shots the other day got some good comments from railfans on them, but I was wondering how aggressive you can be here and still get approved?

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PS, I can't figure how to post the actual photos.
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Old 06-24-2006, 07:48 PM   #2
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Dave:
Interesting shots! I suspect that you'll have the best luck getting shots approved the more "broadside" they are, as opposed to "three-quarters". With broadside, more of the subject will be in focus.
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Old 06-24-2006, 08:01 PM   #3
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Like this:
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Interesting shots! I suspect that you'll have the best luck getting shots approved the more "broadside" they are, as opposed to "three-quarters". With broadside, more of the subject will be in focus.
Hope this helps!
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Old 06-24-2006, 09:34 PM   #4
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Not completely sure what you mean by "aggressive," I think the photo still has to be perfect. The toughest part is not blurring the writing/logo let alone the whole locomotive.

While this is more of a pan, http://twincitiesrailfan.com/photo.php?photo_id=3246 it was rejected for distracting shadows. I figured that since the subject was sharp, it had a chance.
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Old 06-25-2006, 12:12 AM   #5
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Yes, more broadside. Also consider being a little further back (if possible, or zoom) so that the entire unit is in the picture.
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There is something similiar in both of these shots taken by two diferent photographers on different days. And I don't mean the subject. They both shot with an ISO at 100. One shot at f13 and the other at f2o, closing it down in other words. Andf the focal length was about the same.

(Note to self -- try some pan shots.)


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Old 06-26-2006, 08:43 AM   #7
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Hi Dave,

If you want to learn about pacing shots contact railpictures contributor Mitch Goldman, he does the best pacing shots I've seen, a true master of the art.

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Old 07-03-2006, 01:33 AM   #8
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Alan wrote:
If you want to learn about pacing shots contact railpictures contributor Mitch Goldman, he does the best pacing shots I've seen, a true master of the art.


Thanks Alan!

Dave,
I authored "Panning 101" in a thread here on RP a little while back.
My best advice - practiceX3. Practice on cars, trucks, whatever.
Especially if you are shooting digital - then you have nothing to loose.
You look like your having trouble PANNING shots of high speed subjects.

To pan highspeed you need to have ALOT of room. Stand way way back so
that you don't have so much depth of field - you can't have something close and far moving in the same shot while maintaining sharpness. Either that or narrow your subject. Keep in mind - high speed panning is difficult to master!

On the other hand, low speed panning is much easier. Again, follow the advice above. You can pan a train doing 10 mph - see my Bel-Del 2-8-2 shot, which incidently was going backwards.

Don't get panning and pacing confused - pacing means you are running at speed with the subject. This is much easier and quite impressive but it certainly helps to have a chaufer!

Search in Railpictures under key word "Pace" and "Pan" to see my related photos.

Good luck!

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Hi Mitch,

I don't (haven't done much) panning, and certainly no pacing shots. Pacing is a bit difficult here in the UK, lines are fenced and roads tend not to be near to the tracks. I could always try from another train, but that's difficult as many coaches are air conditioned and so have no opening windows!

I of course understand the theory, so inspired by you and others I thought I'd give it a try with some slow moving subjects.

The locos in two attached images are both doing about 8 or 10 MPH. Limpopo was shot at 1/40th sec @ f16 NX1Z5841s.jpg . Bronhilde was 1/20th @ f18 NX1Z5786s.jpg .100ASA.


I reckon I should have tried 1/30th and maybe 1/15th, that's for next time.


Like you said Mitch, you need to practice. There was a famous comment by a world class golfer who was told he'd just had a lucky shot, he said, the more I practice the luckier I get!

That holds good for most things.

Keep those pics coming


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Old 07-27-2006, 03:24 AM   #10
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Every once in a while I still try the pacing shot. I like this one, not perfect, but still pretty good. Especially being a BNSF SD70ACe on Cajon Pass.

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Well I finally got one I could keep, not great but at least the engine is in focus.
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Whew! Thats an outstanding shot if I may say so myself!

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Whew! Thats an outstanding shot if I may say so myself!

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Seriously, I need to practice some pacing and/or pan shots myself, but I haven't got around to it yet other than one badly failed attempt at it last year.

It is a nice shot, Dave, if not RP worthy yet. Here's one thing I have noticed about some pacing/pan shots. Sometimes the sky looks washed out. Other times, people have what would be foreground clutter in front of the loco if it weren't a pacing/pan shot.


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I actually really like it. (Now for a particular forum member's liking: "That shot sucks!" ..people amuse me.) Anyway, I am a fan of all different kinds of panning or pacing shots in this case but especially though that include something other than the locomotive. As in your shot you got the engine perfectly placed in the crossing, but with leveling you will lose the right crossing gate and therefore it falls under my "CBNC" category. ["Close but no cigar"] The image is crystal clear which means you have perfected* the technicals.
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I used to cover a lot of motor racing, and the best advice I can give with panning ..is follow thru. Think of a panning shot as a golf shot. You don't stop swinging the club after you hit the ball. As Mitch said "practice, practice, practice". I hit on average about 1 in 5 pan shots, it was more whenever I'd go to races on most weekends. Just remember with digital cameras, if it looks like crap..delete it.

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Amazing finding a one year old thread brought back to life!

In short, it's not how aggressive, but rather how sharp.
If it's razor sharp, you don't have to be that aggressive, however
the more aggressive you are (the slower the shutter speed you
can pull off) the more room you may get (personally or from others
including the screeners).

As far as composition, a wedge seems to work nice in that you
get a three dimentional feel (versus an easier to shoot broadside).
I like to see the nose in the photo, though you must then contend
with loss of sharpness due to the angle and consequent loss of
depth of field.

1/30th is a good speed to shoot, depending on the speed of the
subject, faster is better but much tougher.. slower is not as
impressive, but much easier to nail.

Last, choose your location - I try to shoot with an uncluttered
foreground while choosing a background that is very cluttered.
You do not want to block the subject, yet you do want a dense
background which lends itself to a more visually appealing blur.
It's easier to blur 12 trees then 1!

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Shoot all I did was role down the window while driving 65mph and kinda got lucky I guess
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Shoot all I did was role down the window while driving 65mph and kinda got lucky I guess
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There's the foreground clutter which I was talking about. In a pacing shot, it's not foreground clutter to the screeners. The bush on the other side of the loco is odd too and with such a neat engine second back, could you have zoomed out some?

Note this is comin from a guy who hasn't shot a decent pacer yet, so take it with a grain of salt.


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Not to take this thread off track, lol, but yeah I wish now that I had gottan more of the Hybrid unit, but hey I was driving and shooting I had to pay attention to the road ahead as well
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Not to take this thread off track, lol, but....
Whoops, looks like Joe and I took this off track since Dave was originally talking about pacing shots where you pace with the subject - in other words, you move along with the subject as opposed to panning where you are stationary and have to rotate with the subject. Still, the answer remains the same - the more aggressive you are the more impressive your results will be but.. but the more difficult it will be to maintain sharpness.

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Hey Mitch, is that shallow focus solely due to panning, or did you also choose an aperture to get a shallow depth of field?
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