Old 07-09-2009, 12:28 AM   #1
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Just looking for opinions. I can very easily re-shoot this. I'm just curious as to which way I should go.

1. Should I get the spike in better focus, instead of a failed attempt at selective sharpening?
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2. Should I forget the spike, and go for a higher angle to better show the 21 degree deck curve like in the attachments (used for example only)?
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3. Should I just forget it since it got nailed for PEQ, although all 3 of my Kinzua Bridge shots were also nailed with PEQ, and in on appeal.
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Old 07-09-2009, 01:20 AM   #2
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I like the curvature to the bridge personally. If you think about it, most bridge shots are in a straight line, and this one would be unique in a sense.

Just my 2 cents from the peanut gallery.
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Old 07-09-2009, 01:37 AM   #3
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I think it would work better with the foreground spike sharp. One generally blurs the foreground if there is something further back to focus on, but that second spike head isn't a distinct element. The problem I have with the overall shot, however, is that 2/3 of it is a boring mass of foliage and sky.

The other shots are too simplistic in composition, a curve with a plain background, to do much for me but others might like them. Also, the dull gray, so dull that it looks like reverse selective color!, just doesn't grab me as interesting. Sorry, not a fan. Perhaps more focus on the textures of the rotting wood, maybe not RP material but to me more interesting. Hard to say.
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Old 07-10-2009, 01:56 PM   #4
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I know I said the attachemnts were there for example only, but the more that I looked at the first attachment, the more I have started to like it. The more I looked at it, I was seeing both of your suggestions, J: focusing on the textures of the rotting wood, and khalucha: focusing on the curve vs. straight line. It is also 2/3 bridge vs. 2/3 blah.

Like khalucha said, most straight bridge deck shots are up the gut, and I like how this one goes across the image L-R, and then curves back. I like how a lot of the focus is on the rotting side rail with the wood 'fuzzies' where the tie plates were. I like the 'back lighting' between the ties in this situation vs. them being lit as in the other attachment.

Now that I have worked with it and see the finished product, I like how it turned out. Any opinions? Like I said before, I can very easily go back if needed...IF I ever get a day off when it is nice. I still want to re-do the spike route also.
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Old 07-10-2009, 02:11 PM   #5
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Kevin, there is a similar old wooden trestle in my area. Now you have me thinking about getting a summer shot....



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Now that I have worked with it and see the finished product, I like how it turned out. Any opinions?
Nice! Again, maybe RP material, maybe not, but an interesting shot.

It would be nice to get in some metal to contrast against the wood. I see some sort of a spike or bar or something at the bottom left, maybe take one step back and shoot the same angle so you can capture that more, maybe aim a bit left, reduce the space on the right margin, and capture more of what I will call the rail bed. There is a dark patch on the nearest full tie that gets cut off the left edge, I'd like to see a bit more of that. That will also come in more if you take that one step back.

On a shot like this the minor foreground details matter more.

It is nice as is, though.
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I like it a lot. The only thing that I would do if I was taking a picture would be to cut the top of the shrub/tree off on the curve part to give it a little more definition, and to avoid the "foreground clutter" rejection. I also like JRMDC's idea with the spike.

Is there water below this bridge, or is it going over a dry wash?
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Is there water below this bridge, or is it going over a dry wash?
There is a desent sized creek (for these parts). Paint Creek.
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FWIW, with better lighting I think both angles (side and standing on not the rejection) will have no problem getting on. The good thing about getting the best light on abandoned bridges/stations is that they don't move! It does suck when you have to get up to shoot them at 6AM. Ugh.
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Kevin, there is a similar old wooden trestle in my area. Now you have me thinking about getting a summer shot....
Or a crisp winter's night may work.
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FWIW, with better lighting I think both angles (side and standing on not the rejection) will have no problem getting on. The good thing about getting the best light on abandoned bridges/stations is that they don't move! It does suck when you have to get up to shoot them at 6AM. Ugh.

I'm sorry, but I have to ask about better lighting...at least on the top-side shot? I realize that it is backlit, but I think it adds nice contrast between the ties. And even the dark shadow in the top-left gives a nice contrast to the edge of the ties kinda just falling off of the edge of the bridge. I agree that the comp. could be better, and plan on a re-shoot for that.

As far as the side shot, I wasn't even considering that one. Maybe I should look at it more, and see if that one grows on me too? I do agree that that one definately needs better light, but I think it will be a no-go due to the thick foliage for lower sun. These shots were actually only taken for our Yahoo group, but after playing with the first one, I really liked it, and then the standing shot grew on me too.

For the record, I had plans of attempting a bitter cold snow covered shot of this bridge last winter, but my wife was the only thing bitter when I got stuck, and it took digging out ol' Mean Greeny and 2 other trucks to pull me out. After that day, I didn't care to travel that road the rest of the winter, lol.
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I'm sorry, but I have to ask about better lighting...at least on the top-side shot? I realize that it is backlit, but I think it adds nice contrast between the ties.
Sorry, I didn't see the re-crop with the washed out sky taken out. Looks good to me. I was talking about getting some blue sky instead of white but cropping does the same thing. Sorry about the confusion.
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Since it does not move, and it will make a nice shot I think, why not try to do an HDR shot of it. Might make the features stand out better. Something to ponder.
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Nice! Again, maybe RP material, maybe not, but an interesting shot.

It would be nice to get in some metal to contrast against the wood. I see some sort of a spike or bar or something at the bottom left, maybe take one step back and shoot the same angle so you can capture that more, maybe aim a bit left, reduce the space on the right margin, and capture more of what I will call the rail bed.
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I went back and where ever there was an actual spike sticking up, the angle didn't work to show the curve. This is the original photo from before, although I reworked it into sepia for some reason The "spike or bar or something" that you are referring to is a lag bolt of some sort. I'd love for an actual spike to be standing in this location, but it just didn't work. I would have definately reshot if that was the case. I may just have to aquire a spike mull
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Congrats!

Doesn't even look much like sepia, you applied a light touch!
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