Old 06-22-2009, 02:25 AM   #76
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To further discussion about another capability of post, what about selective blurring? (see comments below photo...sorry if this was discussed elsewhere. If so, I missed it.)
Anyone notice the lack of shadow the handrail on the side of the locomotive, but the shadow that the front "pilot" is casting on the rail?

Looks a lot like a G-scale model RR.
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Old 06-22-2009, 02:50 AM   #77
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I saw the shot had a problem or an "issue" even before I got to the comments. And now that I look at it, I can't figure out the shadows at all. And the scale, just doesn't look right, even for a narrow gauge.

As Dave points out, the engine is real:

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I can't explain the weird stuff in the shot under discussion. Also, that is a lot of dirt or whatever for 2.5 years - maybe something happened and the oil went all over the place.
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And now that I look at it, I can't figure out the shadows at all.
There appears to be a large tree casting a shadow on the foreground and most of the locomotive (you can see some branch detail in the tender. The very front of the loco is exposed to direct sunlight, hence the shadowing on the rail there. The reason it looks like a model is due to his selective blurring, which it up for debate whether that should be acceptable or not. It's really no different had he used a very large aperture to get a shallow DOF...however, then the entire length of the loco wouldn't have been in focus. Just another thing to debate about, I suppose.

What I find REALLY odd is that two photos of this locomotive, taken more than 2 years apart, were both submitted on the same day. Do both photographers know each other and plan that?
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Simon's shot, as I look full size and in thumb nail it is obvious to me the color has been manipulated. It looks like a postcard from a hundred years ago.

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This was the only similar subject one I could find in the DB. You can see a much more natural looking color palette.

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Simon's shot, as I look full size and in thumb nail it is obvious to me the color has been manipulated. It looks like a postcard from a hundred years ago.
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I can't be color blind and you all can't be either.

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Oh, I suspect most people or at least many see that image and believe saturation at least has been adjusted. But it is all subjective now, and now with the HDR subjectivity and the related color stuff. How does one set a standard? And screening, how does that work. One benefit of the relativily narrow standards here is that they are relatively precise. Yes, RP screening could be a lot more subjective!

If I were to expand RP standards, my first choice would be to let in more shots that are just fine except for partially or fully shadowed noses.

My main concern with selective color is that it can lead to a lot of bad shots on RP - people taking any old boring shot and jazzing it up; the result becomes gimmicky. There is a place for "high-tech" processing shots, done well, but it isn't clear to me that RP is that place.
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There is a difference, IMO, between Simon's selectively saturated shot and a selective color shot like the one in question above. To me, selective color involves a black and white image with certain subjects in the image selected to be in color. Simon's photo doesn't look that way at all to me. I don't believe selective color should be allowed, but Simon's shot looks perfectly acceptable to my eyes.

My avatar is a perfect example of selective color.
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I spy one too many wind turbine blade packages (notice the last one sinks well below the hill). Everyday geometry would tell you that if you drew a straight line through the center of the packages, they would all line up. The last one doesn't. It must be dragging on the ballast...

There are some other obvious manipulations...
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