Old 08-10-2009, 03:51 PM   #1
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I got nabbed with bad color on this shot last night. Any idea what I should do to fix it?

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For the last two years, I've had all of my railgrinder shots rejected for bad color, although I thought with me purchasing an SLR, I could adjust the WB and try to get a decent shot, but alas, no such luck.

Any feedback is appreciated.

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Old 08-10-2009, 04:15 PM   #2
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I think they're pinpointing a lack of color depth in this one. It looks like it needs something. More saturation, maybe, more contrast. I'm not sure. Advice to you would be to just play around with the settings and see what comes up.
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Nice attempt Chase but it looks a bit blown out in my opinion.
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Old 08-10-2009, 11:31 PM   #4
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I also got nabbed for a few bad colored shots as well. Any suggestions for these?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=717758&key=0
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=717769&key=0
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=717803&key=0

Thanks guys,

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Old 08-10-2009, 11:36 PM   #5
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I also got nabbed for a few bad colored shots as well. Any suggestions for these?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=717769&key=0


Thanks guys,

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Appeal! That one is ridiculous...that gets bad color yet a selective color shot doesn't? Wow.

May need a SLIGHT CW rotation...maybe .35-.5. Right, Jim?
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I think the setting sun is throwing off the screener. Might want to add a cooling filter with a value of about 2 or 3. May also try an increase in saturation.

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Too blue. Get the stripes on the nose to look white and you'll be good.

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Again, the late afternoon light hurt you. Same solution as the first reject, a cooling filter and a slight increase in saturation.

Hope this helps. Good luck.

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I agree with the overexposure idea too. Those grinders are a PITA to shoot at night

And I'm kicking myself for missing it both times this year too!

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Much appreciated as per usual, boys. Thanks.

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I dont get why a cooling filter is needed if the colors actually do look that way because of the evening sun, infact, isnt the warmer colors one of the benefits of shooting in the evening?
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I dont get why a cooling filter is needed if the colors actually do look that way because of the evening sun, infact, isnt the warmer colors one of the benefits of shooting in the evening?
I thought this too. Any explanation? And, for whatever it's worth, the two shots of the 4644 were taken at about 8 in the morning.

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I dont get why a cooling filter is needed if the colors actually do look that way because of the evening sun, infact, isnt the warmer colors one of the benefits of shooting in the evening?
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I thought this too. Any explanation? And, for whatever it's worth, the two shots of the 4644 were taken at about 8 in the morning.
Tim, I apologize for saying late afternoon instead of morning. I also agree with you that the warm low light is an advantage, I just mention as a possible reason for rejection. In my opinion, I like both shots of the 4644, but they seem a little flat and could use something to make them "pop," to use a super-technical term. Whether it is a cooling filter, or a saturation or contrast adjustment, to me, it just seems to need something.

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Two of the 3 photos got in the second time around, however, I think I like the original ones better (apart from 3908 shot being unlevel a tad).

What are yours guys' thoughts? Originals or these ones?

http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=293573&nseq=1
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=717758&key=0 (original)

http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=293575&nseq=0
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=717769&key=0 (original)

Thanks,

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I tried again last night and the results weren't too bad at all.

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Well done Chase, looking good. I went out around midnight the other night to shoot a Loram Railgrinder at work. Some of the shots came out pretty well, but I'm not sure if they would be accepted on here?

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Well done Chase, looking good. I went out around midnight the other night to shoot a Loram Railgrinder at work. Some of the shots came out pretty well, but I'm not sure if they would be accepted on here?

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You guys are lucky. The only rail grinder I've ever got was between 2 and 6 in the summer (last month), and they went off duty at 6. I really wanted them to go on all night.
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Tim, FWIW I prefer the original shot of #4644 (love that morning light), but the accepted one of #3908 (blue just a little overpowering in the original version).

Chase, colours are much richer in the accepted shot - the rejected one looks washed out in comparison plus the front of the grinder looks sort of greenish.

Anybody got any suggestions of how to shoot a grinder at night when actually working? I see the one that visits my local line from time to time and it looks impressive with all the sparks flying. Trouble is, doing a "Gary Knapp" over here is not an option, I don't have the equipment and doing something like that is liable to lead to big trouble over here
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Anybody got any suggestions of how to shoot a grinder at night when actually working? I see the one that visits my local line from time to time and it looks impressive with all the sparks flying. Trouble is, doing a "Gary Knapp" over here is not an option, I don't have the equipment and doing something like that is liable to lead to big trouble over here
I've always wondered if a streak would work for a night shot of the grinder. I know they keep both the Harsco & the Loram grinders pretty lit up at night. If you could find a good spot (possibly an overpass) where you could get him streaking by, and then the smoke from the actual grinder streaking by as well. If you were lucky, you might be able to get some of the sparks, too.

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Chase;

Those lights would be very bright. It might be hard to get a real streak shot that fills the frame. Nice work on the accepted shot thuogh. I was trying to remember the last time I saw a Rail Grinder. I believe it was when I was shooting film and the lighting was horrible. Not knowing what I was doing back then, it turned out really bad.
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Two of the 3 photos got in the second time around, however, I think I like the original ones better (apart from 3908 shot being unlevel a tad).

What are yours guys' thoughts? Originals or these ones?

http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=293573&nseq=1
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=717758&key=0 (original)
Tim;

The screeners were definetly onto something with this shot. The accepted version is much more pleasing to look out. The color in the original is off, like the white balance got screewed up just a tad.
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Thanks for the suggestion Chase. I did consider a streak shot but, as it does not move very fast when grinding, the headlights could well present a problem.

A side-on shot could be a possibility in the darkness of my favourite local field in the middle of the country, alternatively I will have to wait until possessing something that shoots at more than 1600ISO and try a well-lit station. At least I am in the fortunate position of being in the know when it runs round here
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Bring 'em on!

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Got a PEQ for it.

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Too bad, I personally like the shot a lot!

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