Old 04-27-2014, 08:26 AM   #1
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First of all, thank you for asking - it is a simple tone map of a single image shot in RAW format (single frame HDR).

Since I cannot answer back your question directly, I will do it here.

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- Bad Color: Not enough color depth or too much color saturation.
- Overprocessed: The photo appears to suffer from either excessive use of a grain removal tool, leading to a washed out oil-painted look, or overuse of the shadow/highlight tool in Photoshop, which can give the image a 'fake' appearance and create halos around darker objects.

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"What have you done to this image?"




I was going for a certain look with this one due to the mountains in the background and the great cloud effect.



As ya'all know, Santa Fe RR did a number of advertising posters featuring landmarks, or images of the Southwest.

Such as:






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This type of illustrated look was what inspired my processing.

Not "fake," just different.

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Old 04-27-2014, 12:27 PM   #2
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Roco, I am not seeing the validity of the comparison between the posters and your effort. I can't figure out what you have done, but it seems just plain wrong. The posters are clearly graphic representations of full sun scenes. Yours, it looks like you HDRed a sunny day shot and mucked up the shadows and contrast. Consider the last of the three posters. It has dark shadows and white clouds. You have a monotone mess. The posters have a somewhat pleasing mix of orange/browns and blue/purples, you have a blah study of the blue/purple part of the spectrum. Sorry to be harsh, but I think you completely missed your inspirational mark.

I wonder whether in your zeal you missed all this, or whether what I am seeing is your intent and we just have wildly differing tastes.
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I can see what you were attempting to do...but I can't see RP.net accepting it (at least "enhanced" to that degree).
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I kinda like it.
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The desired effect is neat, but not entirely sure it's something I could see RP accepting.

I also find the foreground scene to be a little too cluttered, which in my opinion distracts from your clouds/mountains. A bit of a different composition with less foreground obstructions may enhance your effect.

For what it's worth, this is the first time I've seen the photo.

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The desired effect is neat, but not entirely sure it's something I could see RP accepting.

I also find the foreground scene to be a little too cluttered, which in my opinion distracts from your clouds/mountains. A bit of a different composition with less foreground obstructions may enhance your effect.

For what it's worth, this is the first time I've seen the photo.

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I too would prefer the bridge railing to not be there, however the initial rejection was for "bad cropping."

My preferred view was like this:

East Cadiz

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I did another one of these a while back and it was picked up by BNSF for one of their PR things.

M.P. 674.3 - East Siberia

It too was rejected for the same reasons.


Fair enough - thanks for the responses.

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I was going for a certain look with this one due to the mountains in the background and the great cloud effect.
Is that pink lady ballast?
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A couple of those shots look like the candyland filter was applied
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Is that pink lady ballast?
Newberry Springs is where the cinder cone formation is located that supplies the red ballast.

It is located about 25 miles East of Barstow.
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Newberry Springs is where the cinder cone formation is located that supplies the red ballast.

It is located about 25 miles East of Barstow.
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This type of illustrated look was what inspired my processing.

Not "fake," just different.
You mean - "this type of illustrated look was what inspired me to create my own illustration based on a photograph". Right?

You're not helping things move along by posting such examples on the Forums, in my opinion. No disrespect - but citing such drastic examples does not further the cause of correcting the bigger mainstream issues in the screening process. Or your credibility with the screeners and admin.

That image looked more like something I'd see on 500PIX or Deviant Art.

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Looks like an overprocessed cloudf***ed shot of a GEVO. Don't see what the posters have to do with the shot, all of them rely on strong contrast while yours is totally dull and devoid of any contrast whatsoever.
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........You're not helping things move along by posting such examples on the Forums, in my opinion.
Perhaps you are more optimistic.

I don't see anything changing, nor do I have even the slightest inkling that anything will change.

And since they asked, I just thought I would throw it all out on the table for the sake of discussion.

I guess I could be frustrated in silence, but what is the point in that?
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I guess I could be frustrated in silence, but what is the point in that?
Were you really frustrated?

The point is - naturally - when you have a legitimate frustration, you (we) are taken more seriously. That's logical, however - not sure if it holds substance here.

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Were you really frustrated?

The point is - naturally - when you have a legitimate frustration, you (we) are taken more seriously. That's logical, however - not sure if it holds substance here.

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My frustration is the narrowness of the site.

"We" have the same complaints, only my view is considerably broader.

Ergo, we both think the site should step outside the box, only I fail to see your box and theirs.

I am quite clear on what "my" vision is, and people can either take it or leave it.
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My frustration is the narrowness of the site.

"We" have the same complaints, only my view is considerably broader.

I like that the site focuses on PHOTOS. It could be more things to more people and flourish but imagine your favorite hobby shop adding planes, rockets and sporting equipment. And crafts. And bicycles. All mixed together in the same isles.

It would be nice to see a sister site - or a brand new site like Deviant Art or 500 PIX that was specific to railroads only. Or, gasp, transportation only. Hopefully, that will not be RP.

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My frustration is the narrowness of the site.
So because they rejected your horribly processed image, the vision of RP is narrow?

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So because they rejected your horribly processed image, the vision of RP is narrow?

Purposely overlooking hundreds of previous examples and threads regarding the subject in order to make an otherwise valid point moot? Why? Is it your fascination with smileys? As I said earlier - valid issue, bad example.

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As I said earlier - valid issue, bad example.

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So you agree with me.
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So you agree with me.
If you agree (which I know you do) with Holloran Grade, then yes.


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My frustration is the narrowness of the site.
Personally, my train of thought in respect to narrowness is in composition and subject matter vs Holloran's example which crossed the line and became representative of an illustration.

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........ matter vs Holloran's example which crossed the line and became representative of an illustration.
Well, we have some indication as to where the edge of the field is now don't we.
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If you agree (which I know you do) with Holloran Grade, then yes.
Actually, just with you, on the "bad example" part. If Billy Bob agrees that it's a bad example, then yes, I agree with him too.
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I'm not sure who I'm in agreement with, but that illustration is quite terrible. If you're happy with it, by all means enjoy it... in private.. in your folder.. not in public.. away..



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