Old 06-20-2008, 01:49 PM   #1
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When entering data for an upload, the box for railroad
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presents a series of preloaded choices. I was out shooting the ex-Pere Marquette Berkshire 1225, which belongs to the Steam Railroading Institute (not a railroad) so I put Pere Marquette in the box, as this was the original owning road and it is currently lettered for the Pere Marquette. Is this correct?

I also had a member suggest that I should put PM 1225 as the engine number instead of 1225. This would make sense if the SRI, and not Pere Marquette, was listed as the owning railroad, but otherwise isn't it redundant?

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Old 06-20-2008, 02:10 PM   #2
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I also had a member suggest that I should put PM 1225 as the engine number instead of 1225. This would make sense if the SRI, and not Pere Marquette, was listed as the owning railroad, but otherwise isn't it redundant?
Redundant, I suppose, but I'd rather everyone be consistent and include the RR in the engine number instead of having the database full of PM, BNSF, CSX, etc. 1225s and having to do a more complex search.

Of course, there are enough miscodes and different coding styles that one has to do multiple searches anyway.
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A quick glance through the database seems to indicate that most folks are listing the railroad as Pere Marquette and PM 1225 as the engine number. In the interest of keeping everything as uniform as possible, this seems like a good idea.


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The PM 1225 is a bit of an unusual case though. The SRI isn't generally known as a "railroad" per se, and since the engine is advertised and lettered as a PM engine, it certainly makes sense to list it that way here.

But what about other tourist railroads, which use steam equipment that in vitually all cases came from somewhere else? Some have their engines lettered for the original railways and some have adopted their own lettering. I have been using the name of the tourist railroad, because I think that's how most folks would search for such engines.
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When entering data for an upload, the box for railroad presents a series of preloaded choices. I was out shooting the ex-Pere Marquette Berkshire 1225, which belongs to the Steam Railroading Institute (not a railroad) so I put Pere Marquette in the box, as this was the original owning road and it is currently lettered for the Pere Marquette. Is this correct?
Funny you should post this. There was just some discussion within the last hour of your post on another rr board I'm a member on regarding who owns 1225.

So, I present this link: http://www.mstrp.com/history.html

I think, technically, it's owned by the Michigan State Trust for Railway Preservation Inc.

As already mentioned, I think most people view it as and refer to it as "Pere Marquette 1225" or just PM.

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I don't know anyone more anal about train symbols and more knowledgable about 1225 than my friend Gregg, so if he lists it that way, I think it's safe to refer to it that way:

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Old 06-20-2008, 03:22 PM   #6
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Hi Jim,

Yes, MSTRP is correct, but they operate under a dba (doing business as), "The Steam Railroading Institute," and that's the name they want out there for the public to use.

All of which would make RP's owning railroad even more complicated!

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One thing that makes me think listing company names such as museums, etc, is appropriate is the fact that leasing companies are included in the presets. Leasing companies aren't railroads. Yet, they are listed in the database such as "My Company Name (MCNX)". Therefore, I take the railroad box as meaning the owner of the equipment, even if its reporting marks are for a fallen flag, etc.

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When people come to RP to look for Pere Marquette 1225, they're not going to search for it under The Steam Railroading Institute. In this case, common sense seems to dictate the railroad be listed as PM...
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