Old 01-07-2009, 10:37 PM   #1
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OK I am looking for guidance...

I first gut rejected for bad color, fixed that, then rejected for bad cropping, fixed that, then got rejected for cloudy day (it is in the fog) and thought that meant the lighting was poor so I went ahead and reproccessed and got rejected for bad cropping. I then fixed the cropping and got rejected for un changed upload.

So I am seeking some guidance here, I am pretty sure I got a good photo here what can I do to improve...

This was the last rejection for bad cropping

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=627180&key=0

What can I do to improve it?

Then I thought I made a correction to the cropping and uploaded this:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=771254422

So maybe someone can help me, am I missing something on the cropping or is it something else. Or did the screener hit the wrong check box...I have had that happen before.

My last few fog shots got a lot of hits so I think it is a good picture...what can I do to improve?

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Old 01-07-2009, 10:52 PM   #2
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its soft and needs room in front of the lead SD70, Maybe to foggy to sharpen? a long way to go before it gets in
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Old 01-07-2009, 11:00 PM   #3
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its soft and needs room in front of the lead SD70, Maybe to foggy to sharpen? a long way to go before it gets in
OK I may have been mis interpeting the screeners then I thought it was not tight enough...

OK I will wait and see what others have to say....I did not notice the soft bit, sometimes my eyes on the computer are tricky and I miss things like that.

Thank you for your response!

And I look forward to other responses.

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Old 01-07-2009, 11:03 PM   #4
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its soft and needs room in front of the lead SD70, Maybe to foggy to sharpen? a long way to go before it gets in
Rich , do you think it needs more room towards the bottom of the train? I was messing with that in the cropping and that is where I thought the cropping issue was...

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Bob, you've got some really funky stuff going on in the sky. I decreased contrast, and gamma in my example. On your rejected shots, I thought it was a finger smudge. Now I'm not sure what the issue is.

As for the rejection, I'd cut the top and left off. The tree is cool, but not cool enough to justify all that boring on the top and bottom.

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Your photo has a heavy dose of JPEG artifacts (notice how everything appears as if it is distorted). As pointed out by Loyd, this is very evident in the sky. Each time you went back and edited the photo, did you continue to edit and save on the same JPEG file rejected? If so, the multiple saves would cause this lossy look of the image.

From looking at your EXIFs on your accepted photos, I see you are shooting with an XT. My suggestion to you is go back to your original photo (the large one out of the camera) and start fresh. That way this will give you a clean slate to try your luck at editing again. The photo definitely has the ability to be accepted into the database.
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Thanks again

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OK Edit think you panned it and only the side of the leader is sharp from a low shutter speed. The top, left, bottom all have to much dead space in your shot for where the lead motor is. trim trim and sharpen. Hope there a frame before this one thats sharp?
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Almost forgot Bob. When working with fog, it's perfectly legal (and recommended) to toy around with a reduction in contrast. I think you'll like what you see!

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Almost forgot Bob. When working with fog, it's perfectly legal (and recommended) to toy around with a reduction in contrast. I think you'll like what you see!

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Thank you everyone...I will work on these suggestions and as many as I have I am always learning - I did NOT realize that each time I fixed something on the original that it would further distort things.

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Old 01-08-2009, 12:00 AM   #10
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Thank you everyone...I will work on these suggestions and as many as I have I am always learning - I did NOT realize that each time I fixed something on the original that it would further distort things.

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Bob I'd recommend using the TIFF format to save. When I edit the original shot, I save it as a TIFF, then save a second time as a jpeg for uploading. That way, when I get the shot rejected, I can go back to the TIFF (which is exactly the same as the jpeg copy), and tinker with it all I like. TIFF is a relatively loss-less format, which lends well to my "Have to fix it 3-4 times" style.

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Bob I'd recommend using the TIFF format to save. When I edit the original shot, I save it as a TIFF, then save a second time as a jpeg for uploading. That way, when I get the shot rejected, I can go back to the TIFF (which is exactly the same as the jpeg copy), and tinker with it all I like. TIFF is a relatively loss-less format, which lends well to my "Have to fix it 3-4 times" style.

Good luck!

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OK I got nailed again....bad cropping and contrast. I can adjust the contrast bit but can I get additional guidance on the cropping do I need to crop the left more?

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If your photo editor has the option, adjust the gamma downward some. That will darken the shot some, which will make the darker areas darker (of course), but it will also darken the fog, which is borderline too bright right now).

Using Irfanview, I liked the results from a decrease in contrast of 15, and a gamma reduction from 1.00 to .85.

For the cropping, I'd more off the bottom, and add it to the top. If you can darken the fog some, it would be more appealing than the ground. Right now the train is near the middle of the shot, which is probably where the cropping rejection is stemming from.

The joys of editing to match what your eyes instantly saw eh?

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If your photo editor has the option, adjust the gamma downward some. That will darken the shot some, which will make the darker areas darker (of course), but it will also darken the fog, which is borderline too bright right now).

Using Irfanview, I liked the results from a decrease in contrast of 15, and a gamma reduction from 1.00 to .85.

For the cropping, I'd more off the bottom, and add it to the top. If you can darken the fog some, it would be more appealing than the ground. Right now the train is near the middle of the shot, which is probably where the cropping rejection is stemming from.

The joys of editing to match what your eyes instantly saw eh?

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OK let me go into my editor and give that a shot...I was actually brightening up the fog I was afraid of being rejected for too dark.

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What you need to see is that every thing is way to the right side, with the fog hiding the train on the left side. You need to get the front moved too the right 1/3 line. hope you see what i am pointing out.
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Id say keep some of the tree to the left but loose alot of that grass, but RP hates my cropping so i doubt im the right person to listen to.
Also the image quality seems very low for a XT, what program are you using to edit, and are you shooting at the highest quality settings?
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Id say keep some of the tree to the left but loose alot of that grass, but RP hates my cropping so i doubt im the right person to listen to.
Also the image quality seems very low for a XT, what program are you using to edit, and are you shooting at the highest quality settings?
Hi! I use photoshop elements and sometimes a little of Mircosoft Image pro to do a bit of touch up with. Typically I have pretty good luck.

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Old 01-08-2009, 03:54 AM   #17
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Ok the cropping thing is killing me...

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1184506981

Did I cut off too much of the train on the left??

I tried to center the engine more in the middle but that left space on the right...

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Ok the cropping thing is killing me...
Did I cut off too much of the train on the left??


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to much sky now, trim more from the left and top right side is ok, your getting there!
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to much sky now, trim more from the left and top right side is ok, your getting there!
OK we will give it a shot...thank you!

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