Old 08-21-2005, 01:36 PM   #1
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Default Israeli Locomotives exported to Texas

On the 18th of August the ship M.V. Tracer left Ashdod port in Israel bound for NRE plant in Houston(?) Texas with SIX old locomotives onboard.
Their numbers in Israel Railway service were: 104, 109, 127, 128, 129, 251. All of them are US made 40-50 year ago. Some have very interesting history.
104-129 are EMD-G12 locos
251 is an EMD-G8 loco

As an Israeli railfan I would be thrilled if someone could document their arrival back home.

Here is 251: http://www.railnewsil.com/rolling/Loco251.jpg
The rest of them look like this: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=106505 some of them in the old livery similar to 251.

Does anyone know the NRE plant in Houston, Texas? I didn't find any pictures from that plant in the database/
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Old 08-21-2005, 02:14 PM   #2
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I didn't think NRE had a shop in Houston......I know they have shops in Silvis,Mt.Vernon,and Dixmoore,IL.They have one in Paducah,KY and Houma,LA too and I believe they have one in Canada but I'm pretty sure there isn't one in Houston.

They are probably going to Houston and then are being transfered by BNSF or UP to a shop in Illinois.
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Old 08-21-2005, 04:06 PM   #3
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I will try to check with my sources what is the final destination of these locos.
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Old 08-21-2005, 10:01 PM   #4
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Reminds me of the outfit that imported a number of Russian TEM7A locomotives into the port of Houston, TX. You can read about them at the following site (which includes a link to a sales page if you want to buy one. http://www.trainweb.org/southwestshorts/russian.html

Presumably the Israeli locomotives are coming for reconditioning.
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Old 08-22-2005, 03:06 PM   #5
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The story of some of Israeli locomotives on route to the US is no less strange. Four of them: 127, 128, 129 and 251 started their career in the service of Egyptian Railways, and served there until 1967. During the 67 war they were stranded in the Sinai desert and became spoils of war. For the next three decades and more they served in Israel Railway, until retired.
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Reminds me of the outfit that imported a number of Russian TEM7A locomotives into the port of Houston, TX. You can read about them at the following site (which includes a link to a sales page if you want to buy one. http://www.trainweb.org/southwestshorts/russian.html

Presumably the Israeli locomotives are coming for reconditioning.
Unlike the TEM7A's, which were never used and I think are rusting into oblivion, the USA already has G8s and G12s, probably also NRE's, although those are Mexican expatriates.
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so do you know where these locomotives 127, 128, 129 and 251 were operating in the egyptian railways?
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As I wrote, all of them were stranded in the Sinai desert in June, 1967. Currently, I have no information about the lines they operated on.
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For a photo (by Dr. E. Reiter) of 251 being loaded to the ship in Ashdod Port, Israel, (August 17, 2005) follow this link:
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Old 08-27-2005, 03:16 PM   #10
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I would be much obliged if you recommend other railfans forums from the Texas or Houston area.

I'm still looking for someone who could take pictures of the locomotives arriving to Houston Port.

Here is another picture (by Dr. E. Reiter) of the locomotives in Ashdod port, just before leaving Israel. The loco in the front (120) stayed in Israel.

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Old 09-15-2005, 06:16 PM   #11
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Default The locomotives are arriving!

MV Tracer with the Israeli locomotive is due at the Port of Houston on or about 5th of October.

I would appreciate anyone who could take a shot or two of these locomotives on US soil.
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Are these export locomotives from a USA or Canadian builder, or are they Israeli built?
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Default The locomotives are in the USA!!!

I got a message that the six Israeli locomotives were spotted on the dock at the Port of Houston on October 20th. Unfortunately, there are no photos yet.
From Houston the locos will be making their way to one of NRE's plants in the US, probably on flat cars since they are all disabled.

I you spot these locos by any chance, please take a photo of them and bring it here or to the database.

As for the last question: the locos were made in the USA not in Israel.
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so what is the type of activity that these 6 locos will do after coming back from USA (frieght? passenger? or switching)?
i think that these locos arenot powerful like the other ones used now in israel.
here in egypt now the egyptian railways organization begin to put the G22W-AC and the G26CW in the switching operations as there alot of powerful locos here that can be used in frieght and passengers trains.
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so what is the type of activity that these 6 locos will do after coming back from USA (frieght? passenger? or switching)?
I don't think they will stay in the US for long. After being rebuilt they will probably head to Mexico or South America or to East Asia. In those areas G12s are still popular.
Israel Railways still operates quite a few G12 locos. Mainly in switching and short freight hauls. For bigger jobs they have two G16 (http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=121306)
G26CW (http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=112496)
One GT26CW-2 (http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=97219)
and several Alstom JT42CW
(http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=112275)

These are the freight locos. For passenger trains locomotion, recently, they use only
Alstom JT42BW (http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=92539)
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o i thought that the organization of israel railways will get the locos back after rebuilding them to be used again in the israel railways.
so what will be bought instead of these 6 locos?
here is in egypt i think that there were G16 locos but all of them are scrapped also like happened the AA16 locos(HENSCHEL).
but now we are using alot of HENSCHEL locos EMD JT22CW-M in the passenger trains and also the MODIFIED HENSCHEL (some drivers call it the THE GHOST) is used in the heavy frieght operation.
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o i thought that the organization of israel railways will get the locos back after rebuilding them to be used again in the israel railways.
so what will be bought instead of these 6 locos?
These locos were not in use for at least 5 years, some more. They stood for years in the scrap yard. So they were replace years ago by the strong Alstom JT42CW (Co-Co, 3,000hp).
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