Old 10-24-2012, 06:15 AM   #1
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Free game. Use this shot for target practice.

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Old 10-24-2012, 10:32 AM   #2
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Less clouds, more ground. I'd still keep the train on the bottom part of the image though.
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:11 PM   #3
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I would say to crop off about three inches of the left side and two inches off the top, add a little to the bottom and keep the right side as is. Lots of dead space, especially the left and top.

Bring the train closer.
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:21 PM   #4
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Buh-bye, clouds...

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Old 10-24-2012, 03:36 PM   #5
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With all due respect, I think Jim's version basically sucks all the life out of the shot, making it just another wedgie, a strongly telephoto wedgie with out any contrasting foreground in terms of proximity and depth, and some interesting sky. Totally ordinary. Sure, will probably get onto RP, but so what.

The shot is about, to me, big expanse; big sky, big expanse across the land with a low trestle. Try to keep as much as that as possible. The foreground is weak, so don't weaken it further if you can avoid it. Keep those foreground bushes as best you can. Keep the bigness of the sky as best you can. And see if RP will take it.

I'm not saying the attached is right; if anything, I may have cropped a bit too much, not sure. And my mood might be different if I did it in an hour, maybe I'd crop more. But I am trying to preserve the essence of the shot, not hammer it down to fit a different mold. It's not a spectacular shot at all, but it is nice, it has value, and the train itself, the focus of Jim's crop, is not the only thing to see.

PS: seeing it again, I would now crop a bit more off the right, somehow balancing having extra space over there vs keeping enough of the bush in the corner. But then, foreground presence and depth are elements I highly value, perhaps others not so much.

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With all due respect, I think Jim's version basically sucks all the life out of the shot, making it just another wedgie[.]
But this is RP and that is what tends to happen here.

Everything needs to fit into a cookie cutter scheme.

I like the larger version too, but Jim's crop will get it accepted and yours will most likely draw another cropping rejection (no disrespect).

It is a lot like Mitch's Zephyr shot, in that the train is just part of the subject, rather than the subject - which is the way RP prefers it.
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With all due respect, I think Jim's version basically sucks all the life out of the shot, making it just another wedgie, a strongly telephoto wedgie with out any contrasting foreground in terms of proximity and depth, and some interesting sky. Totally ordinary. Sure, will probably get onto RP, but so what.

The shot is about, to me, big expanse; big sky, big expanse across the land with a low trestle. Try to keep as much as that as possible. The foreground is weak, so don't weaken it further if you can avoid it. Keep those foreground bushes as best you can. Keep the bigness of the sky as best you can. And see if RP will take it.
I agree 100%. Since I like big puffy clouds, I prefer his original as I saw it posted on FB. But, this is RP we're talking here (and Bob gets it).

By the way, didn't I explain how to post an attachment without having that link show up below it? The paper clip icon is your friend.
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I agree 100%. Since I like big puffy clouds, I prefer his original as I saw it posted on FB. But, this is RP we're talking here (and Bob gets it).

By the way, didn't I explain how to post an attachment without having that link show up below it? The paper clip icon is your friend.
I understand what you and Bob are saying. I think some version of my crop is worth trying, has a reasonable probability of acceptance, before one goes to the RP-capitulation crop. One does see the occasional shot here that protrudes slightly outside the box! And I prefer my crop (of course I would!) to the original anyway, which is too expansive for me.

Oops, I've been using Insert Image instead. Let's try again, and give everyone a 2nd change to see my glorious take on the image in question ...

Nope, I got the link and not the image. Where did I go wrong?
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What's with everyone always looking for the horizontal crop. If you like the big puffy clouds, and I do, why not go vertical?



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........ I think some version of my crop is worth trying, has a reasonable probability of acceptance, before one goes to the RP-capitulation crop.
Word!

Vert works.
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Oops, I've been using Insert Image instead. Let's try again, and give everyone a 2nd change to see my glorious take on the image in question ...

Nope, I got the link and not the image. Where did I go wrong?
Don't know...what was your procedure?

Here's what you do.

-Open the attachment window.
-Select image to upload.
-After uploading, close the attachment window.
-Go to body of post and choose where you want to place the attachment.
-Click on paper click icon and select the attachment you just uploaded. You will then see [ATTACH] xxxx [/ATTACH] in the body of the post.

VOILA!

Doing it this way is not only cleaner looking (and easier), but it also allows you to add text under the image. You can't do that with they way you're doing it.
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Here's what you do.

-Open the attachment window.
-Select image to upload.
-After uploading, close the attachment window.
-Go to body of post and choose where you want to place the attachment.
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Awesome. Here is the text under attachment.
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If you have it, i'd go further out on the bottom and sides...
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I think Janusz's looks better than the vertical. Has more of an open sky feeling to me.
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I think Janusz's looks better than the vertical. Has more of an open sky feeling to me.
You are swayed by my having shown it in this thread twice, and linked to it yet another time.

Seriously, the vertical, it has some of the problem I talked about before, the foreground is weak, and the vertical leaves very little room in front of / behind the train, so not much expanse at the ground level. Not a fan.
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Your crop looks good; I'd accept it. Then again, I'll never be a screener so that is irrelevant.
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You are swayed by my having shown it in this thread twice, and linked to it yet another time.

Seriously, the vertical, it has some of the problem I talked about before, the foreground is weak, and the vertical leaves very little room in front of / behind the train, so not much expanse at the ground level. Not a fan.
I'm swayed by being biased against verticals. I just don't like em'.
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I'm swayed by being biased against verticals. I just don't like em'.
Even when a vertical is the best the format for a scene?
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Hey Guys,

I'm struggling. I took your advice and tried out a couple crops. The first one I submitted before anyone responded but the second one was with the advice. I'm worried about cropping down too much as quality is on the edge. Tell em what you guys are thinking.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...79&key=3132438

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...24&key=3330119

And Jim, I got an unlevel shot for you. Which way should I go?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...19&key=7098198
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Though the clouds are looking awesome, for a bridge shot, RP likes train in the upper half of the frame. I may be wrong but this is my general observation. So more foreground & less sky needed.
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The first one I submitted before anyone responded but the second one was with the advice. I'm worried about cropping down too much as quality is on the edge. Tell em what you guys are thinking.
More cropping from the clouds (many still remain), and go to 1024, if you are worried about the quality.
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The Amtrak shot needs a hair CCW rotation judging by the poles and the actual cars in the background. The cloud shot is way too heavy on the cloiuds. When the shot is loading, I see nothing but clouds. The train is also centered in the frame vertically way too much and I believe the shot may need a very little CW rotation judging from the vertical lines in the train. The clouds don't hold a lot of interest for me, truth be known, but maybe I'm in the minnority. If you had wanted to showcase the clouds, it might have worked better to be lower than the train
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And Jim, I got an unlevel shot for you. Which way should I go?

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As Joe already pointed out, CCW. Almost every vertical in the shot is leaning to the left. I suggest you level it off a center bridge vertical. At 109mm you should have any w/a distortion, so the bridge vertical right at the left side of the frame should be lining up with the edge. You can see it's leaning inward.
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Shoot. Well the other shot gave me enough trouble so I decided to switch trains, days and scenes. Here a different attempt at a similar shot. I guess it still doesn't work.

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I like that one better. I know people will say less sky, but for my tastes the clear blue at the top is important, I want to see the tops of those clouds. I would suggest only that you crop a bit on the right, getting rid of the highest set of intruding branches. Crop a smidge or more off the left, but no more than halfway in to the pole. And, OK, take the top down till it is very close to the highest cloud on the right side, the gap on the left side fulfills the blue that I want to see up there. Maybe that will bring the train further up just enough to satisfy the screener.

Please do keep in mind just how much my previous advice was worth.
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