Old 08-23-2011, 10:22 PM   #1
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I feel like these two are good, but I need to know how to improve them.


1. http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=960118&key=0


2. This one is actually not cloudy, it was the last ray of light.

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Old 08-23-2011, 10:38 PM   #2
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Too square of a crop. The bottom of the frame doesn't add anything to the composition. The sky isn't great either with the lines and towers though. I'd probably do a landscape crop tighter on the train to minimize the top and bottom.

And the second link is the first link again.


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Old 08-23-2011, 11:06 PM   #3
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Here's what supposed to be number 2:

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I agree with Loyd that the top of the first picture isn't that appealing, but you did elect to not cut off that tower in the background, which to me is a good idea. Chop the bottom to get a proper 2:3 or 4:5 ratio, and I think this one's a go.

The second one looks like a late night lighting but lacks the golden "pop" you usually get with a low sun. Sorry, but I think the screeners are right on this one.
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This is as much as I can chop off without going under the minimum height, do you think this is enough?
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Both rejections are spot-on. In addition, I would have given the first one the candyland reject.
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This is as much as I can chop off without going under the minimum height, do you think this is enough?
What size is the original? That's a very small picture (800 x 600)!
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2304 X 1536 is my cameras smallest setting. I always resize them to 1024 X 863. What is Rail-pics max size?
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2304 X 1536 is my cameras smallest setting. I always resize them to 1024 X 863. What is Rail-pics max size?
RP's maximum width is 1024, and that's what you should use, too!

As someone else said to me in another thread (I think that was Mr. Honan), use the highest resolution allowed and show your work properly!
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RP's maximum width is 1024, and that's what you should use, too!

As someone else said to me in another thread (I think that was Mr. Honan), use the highest resolution allowed and show your work properly!

Well here's this:
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2304 X 1536 is my cameras smallest setting. I always resize them to 1024 X 863. What is Rail-pics max size?
AARGH!

AARGH!

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The point is not to pick the smallest setting because it is closest to the RP max. The point is always, always to pick the largest setting on your camera, and then resize to RP size.
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AARGH!

AARGH!

AARGH!

The point is not to pick the smallest setting because it is closest to the RP max. The point is always, always to pick the largest setting on your camera, and then resize to RP size.
I will be sure to do that then.
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I will be sure to do that then.
I will sleep better tonight.

We have almost gotten to the point where getting a narrow cab on a leader justifies saying "nice catch."
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I will sleep better tonight.

We have almost gotten to the point where getting a narrow cab on a leader justifies saying "nice catch."

No kidding, I'm getting tired of CSX's endless parade of GEVO's.
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Here's what supposed to be number 2:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=959938&key=0
If you're going to darken the sky to make shots like this look better than what was originally captured, you need to add to your selection all the dozens of little areas of bright sky amongst the antenna tower members and the power pole arm brackets. I'm amazed you submitted this as-is, and I'm sure the only reason the screeners didn't add "overprocessed" as a rejection reason was because they hit on the obvious "poor lighting" first.
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If you're going to darken the sky to make shots like this look better than what was originally captured, you need to add to your selection all the dozens of little areas of bright sky amongst the antenna tower members and the power pole arm brackets. I'm amazed you submitted this as-is, and I'm sure the only reason the screeners didn't add "overprocessed" as a rejection reason was because they hit on the obvious "poor lighting" first.
I'll second that notion. That's simply lazy selection.
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If you're going to darken the sky to make shots like this look better than what was originally captured, you need to add to your selection all the dozens of little areas of bright sky amongst the antenna tower members and the power pole arm brackets. I'm amazed you submitted this as-is, and I'm sure the only reason the screeners didn't add "overprocessed" as a rejection reason was because they hit on the obvious "poor lighting" first.
I never darkened the sky if thats what you're saying.
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We have almost gotten to the point where getting a narrow cab on a leader justifies saying "nice catch."
I guess that's one nice thing about railfanning in Florida. I can go out any day of the week and be guaranteed to see trains with standard cab units leading. GP38-2/39-2/40-2, the rare GP60's, SD40-2 are all very common here. In fact the entire fleet of GP39-2's and GP60's are based out of here.

We get a steady stream of Dash8 widecabs on the transfer jobs and GEVO's on most other Q trains, and AC4400/AC Gevo's on the coal like everywhere else.
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I guess that's one nice thing about railfanning in Florida. I can go out any day of the week and be guaranteed to see trains with standard cab units leading. GP38-2/39-2/40-2, the rare GP60's, SD40-2 are all very common here. In fact the entire fleet of GP39-2's and GP60's are based out of here.

We get a steady stream of Dash8 widecabs on the transfer jobs and GEVO's on most other Q trains, and AC4400/AC Gevo's on the coal like everywhere else.
I should have said GE and/or 6-axle, I suppose. We do have GPs around here, including slug sets; they were not what I was thinking, I was thinking C40-8, that sort of engine. Although I would enjoy seeing a GP39 or GP60. I recently shot an SD40-2 leader, that was nice. GP38 was a favorite engine back in the day.
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I never darkened the sky if thats what you're saying.
Dave wasn't referring to the rejected image... he had picked out an earlier image in the data base. If you look you'll see the sky is later inside the hand stanchions on the freight cars. The link is in Dave's post.

You just need to go in and darken all of those light sky areas.
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I should have said GE, I suppose. We do have GPs around here, including slug sets; they were not what I was thinking, I was thinking C40-8, that sort of engine. Although I would enjoy seeing a GP39 or GP60. I recently shot an SD40-2 leader, that was nice. GP38 was a favorite engine back in the day.
I'll always remember, I was at Blue Island, IL, about a dozen years ago, the first time I heard a railfan say "Man, I hope we get some standard cabs..." In the early nineties, the wide cabs were still kind of cool because they were new and different. By the very late nineties, the tide had started to turn.

Out here in LA we have pretty no hope of a mainline train with a standard cab leader. If we're lucky, we can see them on locals that have some sort of a grade to deal with (where gensets are not viable).

And yes, gensets are standard cab, but it's not the same thing.
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Dave wasn't referring to the rejected image...
That's exactly what I was saying, and I was in fact referring to the rejection. What's going on with all light spots in the areas circled in red in the attachment?
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That's exactly what I was saying, and I was in fact referring to the rejection. What's going on with all light spots in the areas circled in red in the attachment?
Oh - I didn't realize he'd shared another link in the thread. D'oh.
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That's exactly what I was saying, and I was in fact referring to the rejection. What's going on with all light spots in the areas circled in red in the attachment?
I honestly don't know. That's exactly how it came off the camera, besides resizing.
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That's exactly what I was saying, and I was in fact referring to the rejection. What's going on with all light spots in the areas circled in red in the attachment?
Sharpening artifacts? If you blow the image up, that's what it looks like. Haloing at about 400% zoom also becomes apparent around the other structural elements. My best guess is because everything is so close together there, the haloing around the individual elements blends. But that's just a guess.

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