Old 07-25-2012, 04:38 PM   #1
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Is my son really foreground clutter? Is this worth an appeal? Or is there a bigger issue here?

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Old 07-25-2012, 05:13 PM   #2
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I think it's the positioning - mostly.

Center and seemingly attached to the steam engine.

Had he been positioned perhaps to the right and within the
engine rather then "attached" to the bottom, I think you'd
have a better result.

Might consider using the shadows and highlight tool also, to
bring out some detail in the otherwise very dark and shaded
engine.

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Old 07-25-2012, 05:17 PM   #3
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Yes, having him there adds nothing to the shot, looks like a grab shot in general, train is cut off, too side on for the nose on lighting. This concept can work (though I'm not a fan of these posed people shots) but this shot doesnt.
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Old 07-25-2012, 05:31 PM   #4
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I think it's the positioning - mostly.

Center and seemingly attached to the steam engine.

Had he been positioned perhaps to the right and within the
engine rather then "attached" to the bottom, I think you'd
have a better result.

Might consider using the shadows and highlight tool also, to
bring out some detail in the otherwise very dark and shaded
engine.

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I think Mitch hit it on the head,LOL it's the positioning
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Old 07-25-2012, 06:00 PM   #5
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They're pretty strict on backlit too, or maybe that's just for me.
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I would agree that this rejection is likely more for the composition than anything else. Instead of a POV shot, an alternate approach may have been to position the child closer to the locomotive pilot and then take the shot from a more head-on angle. That would have put the locomotive on the left side of the photo and the child on the right. The deep shadows would be minimized and the shot would be dominated by 90's well-lit front face. The shot would depict a little kid dwarfed by a big locomotive....and 90 is pretty big.

In order to have any significant impact however, a shot like this really needs to be a candid. People are the best actors when they are busy being themselves. When directed, most people (adults, kids...doesn't matter) are not particularly good actors and they invariably give away the fact that the shot was staged. Most viewers can see right through that and the view-counts will reflect it. My observation is that the best people-shooters are "stalkers". They stand off with long lenses, pick their prey and wait for the scene to develop.
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Thanks for the feedback. At the risk of beating a dead horse, I wish they'd use rejects that meant what they intended (such as bad composition, if that's the issue). For what it's worth, this was not a posed shot. My son, who is not yet 4, is not particularly amenable to staying where he is told to stay and in this case was doing exactly what the caption says he was doing. But that is neither here nor there . . .

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For what it's worth, this was not a posed shot. My son, who is not yet 4, is not particularly amenable to staying where he is told to stay and in this case was doing exactly what the caption says he was doing.
Jon,

My apologies for any bad assumptions that I made. Not being able to see the child's face, I can't really tell if he's day-dreaming or mesmerized by the locomotive. For POV, I might have gotten down on the pavement and shot it as much as possible from his perspective.

I think a lot of us here are spring-loaded to assume shots are staged because we see it so often...and in some cases, we do it ourselves. Some such images end up being believable....and others are just pictures of some girl's derriere cluttering up a perfectly good train picture.
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Old 07-25-2012, 10:36 PM   #9
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If you had gotten down to his eye level and moved off to the left so the loco was on the left and your son was on the right, that might have been more visually appealing.
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You need something more like this

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