Horizontal unlevel rejection

gakei · 11-11-2007, 06:12 PM

This photo is rejected as horizontal unlevel. Appeal is also rejected for the same reason. What do you think? I have marked in light blue some possible "reference objects". I cannot see how unlevel it is. Can anyone help? Thanks.

ottergoose · 11-11-2007, 06:28 PM

It looks level to me.

I think the train looks like it isn't level, but that's just because of the curve...

Someone else will have to chime in here... it looks level to me.

JRMDC · 11-11-2007, 06:41 PM

Looks good to me. When you appealed, what did you say, if anything? Did you explain what parts of the shot were truly horizontal or vertical?

JimThias · 11-11-2007, 06:49 PM

Definitely, acceptably, conclusively LEVEL.

bigbassloyd · 11-11-2007, 07:06 PM

oh yeah, level as can be!

Loyd L.

JRMDC · 11-11-2007, 07:07 PM

I wonder whether the following could have happened:

- screener sees several reasons for rejection, chooses one (unlevel), doesn't also choose another (bad cropping)

- appeal

- appeal rejected because the shot is not wanted for other reasons, but the appeal screener can only say yes/no and not no for reasons other than the appealed reason

I think the shot is cropped too tight and would reject on that ground.

JimThias · 11-11-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JRMDC

I think the shot is cropped too tight and would reject on that ground.

I didn't notice that before, but now that you mention it...

A little wider out to show more on the right while keeping the left side the same would probably give this shot the necessary room to breathe. It's not a bad shot by any means, and I always like shots of trains on curves, but it's just a little tight on the right.

trainboysd40 · 11-11-2007, 08:20 PM

I agree with the cropping, but while it's not perfect, I think it should be on the database. The unlevel rejection obviously comes from there being so many curves and unlevel objects in the frame, and no horizon to compare it with.

Joe the Photog · 11-11-2007, 09:05 PM

Oddly the blue lines don't make it look level to me. When I look at the shot without "seeing" the blue lines, it looks more level somehow. I agree that the croping could be a little more loose. Do you have a version you could crop differently? It's a very interesting shot nonetheless. I admitt I don't view many European shots, but this one is certainly a good one.

Joe

Mgoldman · 11-11-2007, 09:21 PM

Here's what I was able to come up with;

First - I go with this revised shot. The rejection is for unlevel so it would stand to reason that if you rotated it, it would no longer be unlevel.
Simple.

/Mitch

Mgoldman · 11-11-2007, 09:23 PM

There might be a cropping issue with that, so this should correct that.

/Mitch

JimThias · 11-11-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mgoldman

Here's what I was able to come up with;

First - I go with this revised shot. The rejection is for unlevel so it would stand to reason that if you rotated it, it would no longer be unlevel.
Simple.

/Mitch

Good Lord, man...that train is going to fly over the edge!

Mgoldman · 11-11-2007, 09:25 PM

Now... if that does not work, it's time to bring in the big guns. There are some filters in Photoshop that we can use to our advantage - use the "bend space and time" filter and adjust the levels just a pinch.

/Mitch

Mgoldman · 11-11-2007, 09:28 PM

In all seriousness - it would appear that this illusion simply got by a screener's tired eyes; though, I am quite surprised the appeal was rejected. I'd send a private E-mail to one of the administrators - not recommened often, but this is really just odd.

Good luck.

/Mitch

Joe the Photog · 11-11-2007, 09:55 PM

We give good advice.

PhotoID: 211313
Photograph © Joseph K.K. Lee

And he didn't have to use the Bend Space and Time feature in PS.

Joe

Cyclonetrain · 11-11-2007, 09:55 PM

redundant post

JimThias · 11-11-2007, 10:01 PM

Excellent. Good job, Joseph.

ottergoose · 11-11-2007, 10:15 PM

Glad to see it got accepted!

gakei · 11-12-2007, 10:48 AM

Thanks to all for your comments and glad to have the photo accepted. You know sometimes it will be quite frustrated to have photos rejected but don't know what is the problem and don't know how to correct. However it is really appreciated for this time to hear that the screening team finally told me the photo is actually ok. It demonstrates an efficient and professional screening process as well as the value of this forum.

Thanks again.

gakei · 06-22-2008, 02:53 PM

I have searched back my last thread in Nov 2007 here about horizontal unlevel rejection, because I encounter the same issue again.

Please look at this photo, which is rejected for horizontal unlevel.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=982539243

I have submitted an appeal and asked the administrator to examine again, because I cannot find any evidence of unlevel. Everything that should be vertical is strictly vertical. However it got rejected again for horizontal unlevel.

Again I have made some reference verticle lines and still don't find anything un-verticle/horizontal. Anyone can give advice to me that if I am wrong?

Many thanks.

KevinM · 06-22-2008, 03:30 PM

Once again, I think you are demonstrating (to my satisfaction at least) that you did everything you could to level the picture. In the case of this photo though, even if you get past the horizon issue, the Screeners could take issue with the MIGHTY TIGHT crop. Can you give the train a tad more breathing space??

Joe the Photog · 06-22-2008, 03:54 PM

The train is very tight, too tight, and I think the red lines would quailify as Foreground Clutter.

Joe

bigbassloyd · 06-22-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe the Photog

and I think the red lines would quailify as Foreground Clutter.

Joe

insert cheezy drum crash here...

Loyd L.

gakei · 06-27-2008, 01:21 AM

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=541382&key=0

I followed some of yours comments and resubmitted the photo with less tight crop. In the remarks I pointed the screener to this thread, telling him/her that the photo should have no problem for horizontal levelling.

The photo was rejcted AGAIN for HORIZONTAL UNLEVELLED!

I am very frustrated in this situation.

stevenmwelch · 06-27-2008, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gakei

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=541382&key=0

I followed some of yours comments and resubmitted the photo with less tight crop. In the remarks I pointed the screener to this thread, telling him/her that the photo should have no problem for horizontal levelling.

The photo was rejcted AGAIN for HORIZONTAL UNLEVELLED!

I am very frustrated in this situation.

Just appeal it...